Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Josh, stop looking for Masons. It's so anti-town it's unbelievable.

Only Wisdom is scum out of Heph/Uct/Wisdom.

I think I'm going to try one more case.

God help me.

[Josh_B]

All by his lonesome

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What if said that prior to you and shinobi being big jerks to me when Wisdom was pushing my wagon, my top scum reads were Heph, Uct, and Wisdom.

This sounds like you're scum-reading me because I was scum-reading you.

[Josh_B]

You cant omgus an omgus when you omgused first. I claim being the fist one to be suspicious.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you show me where you were suspicious first?

Also, I didn't OMGUS you and you have flat out admitted to OMGUS'ing me.

[Josh_B]

True story.
Let's try to work out our scum reads instead of arguing for no reason about nothing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm working on a case and will post it when I can get on my laptop.

Top 3 scum-reads Josh?

[Josh_B]

I have Mala, GM, and Davesaz as town.
Peabody is town, but I'm less sure.

That leaves BBT and Shinobi claiming to know that each other is town, but claiming to not be masons.
And that Leaves
Wisdom/MS and Nero/heph claiming that each other is town.

I'm definitely thinking that one group is scum. Are they scum or are they masons? or are neither of them scum, and neither of them masons.
It's like it's multiball only one team is town and one team is scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your using the word 'know' badly.

I don't believe either of those players you have listed have said they KNOW the other one is town. You're jumping to conclusions.

There is also no reason to group those players together either. I think you need to re-evaluate the way you're going about this game.

So, top 3 scum is ..., ... and ... because ...

[Shinobi]

And Wisdom has to be replaced as well.

I'm actually really unhappy about this.

Why?

He made the game more fun.

There are like 50 million things wrong with Josh's case but I can't debunk that shit on a phone.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, so Pea is scum.

Why I hear you ask. Well, here's why;

Hey! Look at who Scripten was going to move onto if NPAU flipped town; 328

837 - Uct is town, Shinobi not so much. Follow up to come when he is on his laptop. This never comes.

995 - This post is odd. He states that he thinks GM could be scum because of her lack of effort and emotional defence. He follows this to say that he simply does not see the case for NPAU being scum. In summary, he can see GM being scum for reasons, but he does not see NPAU as scum, he just doesn't town-read him. Yet, he ends up on the NPAU wagon completely ignoring his own reads and following who he thinks is town. This is bad logic, he saw a reason for GM being scum, GM was a viable lynch, but he decided not to pursue it in favour of somebody he could not see as being scum.

1005 - Over-reaction. He 'hates' both these wagons. Both are 'probably' town. Wait, NPAU is now a town-read? Because in 970, you specifically state that you're not town-reading NPAU. Looking for some town-cred after the NPAU lynch?

1007 - He casually throws a scum-read out. Conveniently, right at the end of the day. You would expect him to follow this up at the start of D2. He doesn't. To my memory, still hasn't.

1095 - He semi-agrees with my case on Dave. He needs to look at Dave in-depth. This also never happens.

1101 - Reads list. Here we go, he was scum-reading Huntress and he had to look at Dave in-depth as well. This is it. Sadly, no, it isn't. In fact, he doesn't even mention Huntress, he begins to pursue Heph again. He also states that 'Dave hasn't pinged him as town or scum because he hasn't been paying attention to him in terms of alignment'. So, you're not trying to get a read on Dave because....?

1446 - I think Wisdom pointed this one out. He pretty much sheeps everything Wisdom has said. He town-reads Uct in this post.

1514 - Reads-list. He is scum-reading Uct. Why did this change? Still scum-reading Huntress, whilst doing nothing about it.

Pea continually states his 'scum reads' but never actually follows up on them. He is continually 'catching up' which makes him look ridiculously town and I believe this is one of the main reasons I kept my town-read on him as long as I did.

His reads are inconsistent and I don't feel like they're genuine.

Pea should be today's lynch.

[Nero Cain]

I find it highly notable that Nero has confirmed Wisdom as town, and Wisdom has confirmed Nero as town with out prompting.

I don't think this ever happened. I DID say that I thought MS was town and by extension Wisdom 'cause they are in the same slot.

If Wisdom was calling me town he may have been trying to get some town cred.

@BBT-was was it scummy for Huntress to ask why she is being scumread?

[Malakittens]

Just because someone claims someone else is town doesn't equal masons josh. If that's the case any game that I played with anyone who I have mAjor experience would mean I would have a mason read on them. :p

I don't see how BBT and shin town reading each other means they have to be masons. I don't.

[Huntress]

I don't think Josh's request for the masons to claim comes from scum - unless he really is that bold as scum but it looks more like frustration to me - so that leaves my lynch pool as uct, Shinobi, Peabody and BBT.

So I might be on the wrong track about Uct if I'm right on something.

Gonna hold off from an Uct vote until I can find time to sort something out.

Any news on this yet?

I don't think this ever happened. I DID say that I thought MS was town and by extension Wisdom 'cause they are in the same slot.

If Wisdom was calling me town he may have been trying to get some town cred.

Might the converse also be true? It seems an odd thing to say of your townread.

[beastcharizard]

Aegor replaces Wisdom!

[Nero Cain]

Might the converse also be true? It seems an odd thing to say of your townread.

nope. I know Josh is misreading like crazy so maybe he's wrong about Wisdom saying that he knows that I was town but lets pretend that Josh is telling the truth (and not misreading) and Wisdom had said that he knew I was town. Why do you think town would say that?

[Josh_B]

#missing my point.

See: Wisdom comments on a lurker
See: Nero comments before reading the game.

Re: Wisdom's comments on Huntress.

[Nero Cain]

Well ok, I'm not a mason with Wisdom so like who do you want dead now?

[Shinobi]

I'm probably just going to end up on Peabody at the end of the day.

I just don't see any other alternatives that make much sense right now and I'm willing to trust that Mala is reading the current situation more accurately than I am.

[Josh_B]

You're boring. You'll sheep me on Peabody eventually, so why delay it?

[Malakittens]

In post 1945, Malakittens wrote:
So I might be on the wrong track about Uct if I'm right on something.

Gonna hold off from an Uct vote until I can find time to sort something out.

Any news on this yet?

Yeah. I'm not as comfortable with the Uct lynch as I was days ago. You shouldn't be either.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Peabody

[Malakittens]

I have Mala, GM, and Davesaz as town.
Peabody is town, but I'm less sure.

That leaves BBT and Shinobi claiming to know that each other is town, but claiming to not be masons.
And that Leaves
Wisdom/MS and Nero/heph claiming that each other is town.

I'm definitely thinking that one group is scum. Are they scum or are they masons? or are neither of them scum, and neither of them masons.
It's like it's multiball only one team is town and one team is scum.

I'm probably just going to end up on Peabody at the end of the day.

I just don't see any other alternatives that make much sense right now and I'm willing to trust that Mala is reading the current situation more accurately than I am.

Okay, seriously "what" to both of these posts.

Especially what to Shinobi. What are you trusting me in regards too?

[Josh_B]

@mala. I can't tell the difference between hiding scum and hiding masons. They both have the same informed minority features. I'd say this game is like multiball, but one of the scum teams win with the town.

[Nero Cain]

Alright, so Pea is scum.

Why I hear you ask. Well, here's why;

Hey! Look at who Scripten was going to move onto if NPAU flipped town; 328

837 - Uct is town, Shinobi not so much. Follow up to come when he is on his laptop. This never comes.

995 - This post is odd. He states that he thinks GM could be scum because of her lack of effort and emotional defence. He follows this to say that he simply does not see the case for NPAU being scum. In summary, he can see GM being scum for reasons, but he does not see NPAU as scum, he just doesn't town-read him. Yet, he ends up on the NPAU wagon completely ignoring his own reads and following who he thinks is town. This is bad logic, he saw a reason for GM being scum, GM was a viable lynch, but he decided not to pursue it in favour of somebody he could not see as being scum.

1005 - Over-reaction. He 'hates' both these wagons. Both are 'probably' town. Wait, NPAU is now a town-read? Because in 970, you specifically state that you're not town-reading NPAU. Looking for some town-cred after the NPAU lynch?

1007 - He casually throws a scum-read out. Conveniently, right at the end of the day. You would expect him to follow this up at the start of D2. He doesn't. To my memory, still hasn't.

1095 - He semi-agrees with my case on Dave. He needs to look at Dave in-depth. This also never happens.

1101 - Reads list. Here we go, he was scum-reading Huntress and he had to look at Dave in-depth as well. This is it. Sadly, no, it isn't. In fact, he doesn't even mention Huntress, he begins to pursue Heph again. He also states that 'Dave hasn't pinged him as town or scum because he hasn't been paying attention to him in terms of alignment'. So, you're not trying to get a read on Dave because....?

1446 - I think Wisdom pointed this one out. He pretty much sheeps everything Wisdom has said. He town-reads Uct in this post.

1514 - Reads-list. He is scum-reading Uct. Why did this change? Still scum-reading Huntress, whilst doing nothing about it.

Pea continually states his 'scum reads' but never actually follows up on them. He is continually 'catching up' which makes him look ridiculously town and I believe this is one of the main reasons I kept my town-read on him as long as I did.

His reads are inconsistent and I don't feel like they're genuine.

Pea should be today's lynch.

Is this the current case on peabody?

but I much rather kill shinobi.