Newbie 1544 - Shakespeare Mafia: GAME OVER!

[Nachomamma8]

House, get off of Aphix. Give us more time to build our case instead of letting scum hold the hammer.

Pedit: Holy shit you suck at this game.

The fact you hate it makes me love my vote.

"hi i'm house and i apparently don't think shinobi is scum"

Disagreeing with someone does not make the other person scum.

When you're doing something because another person disagrees with what you're doing, it's usually because you believe you are of opposite alignment.

[Shinobi]

Aphix is probably going to get lynched today and that really annoys me.

[aphix]

Does aphix flipping town make me more likely to be town?

I'm interesting in seeing this as well.
HOUSE, anyone else that cares to answer if it applies to you. When I flip how does that effect your scum reads on nach and shinobi

[Nachomamma8]

As I've said, how is it possible to post a readslist without leaving yourself open to voting people, especially with your first catch-up post on day one? It isn't realistically possible. You were clearly referring to Aphix in that post, you are trying to make out I scumread him when there is nothing to suggest this is the case.

In what way have I been 'posturing for the path of least resistance'? Are you really basing this on one catch-up post I made, having just skimmed 20 pages?

Bordering on desperation.

You can make a reads list that doesn't look opportunistic as hell by having townreads on people who are possible lynches for the day. I wasn't referring to Aphix in that post: that is you misrepping you. I did say you scumread him when you didn't explicitly scumread him. If I were to be more careful in choosing my language, I would say that you left a window of opportunity to easily vote a budding aphix wagon. I don't find the difference significant.

You have been posturing for the path of least resistance because of the things you did that I said you did already. Yes. Are you saying that it's invalid to read you after one catchup post? When is it acceptable to make a read? Three catch up posts? Four?

[House]

Does aphix flipping town make me more likely to be town?

Nope. His alignment means nothing in regards to yours.

Your case on Luca is sketchy at best, and damn sure not worthy of a flash wagon this close to deadline.

You earned that scum read all on your own.

If you manage to get him to L-1, I'll hammer, but I'm not leaving this wagon unless that happens.

[Shinobi]

Good, there's hope for you yet.

@Mala and aphix: time to swap over to the Luca wagon.

[Luca Blight]

I actually find it incredibly odd that Nacho did the exact same thing that I just did but says the scumread on me is fine.

It's not like I have a scumread on you for it, I just don't have a town read on you for it. Why is that suspicious?

Why is it suspicious? Because you're clearly leaving yourself open to the possibility of voting him further down the road!

See how easy it is to say that to anyone? Apparently that's worthy of a lynch.

[House]

House, get off of Aphix. Give us more time to build our case instead of letting scum hold the hammer.

Pedit: Holy shit you suck at this game.

The fact you hate it makes me love my vote.

"hi i'm house and i apparently don't think shinobi is scum"

Disagreeing with someone does not make the other person scum.

When you're doing something because another person disagrees with what you're doing, it's usually because you believe you are of opposite alignment.

Don't equivocate your playstyle to mine. It will only frustrate you.

I think what I think regardless of who else agrees or disagrees.

[Nachomamma8]

I actually find it incredibly odd that Nacho did the exact same thing that I just did but says the scumread on me is fine.

It's not like I have a scumread on you for it, I just don't have a town read on you for it. Why is that suspicious?

Why is it suspicious? Because you're clearly leaving yourself open to the possibility of voting him further down the road!

See how easy it is to say that to anyone? Apparently that's worthy of a lynch.

I did that to one person early game, yes.
I also hard towned two other people early game.

[aphix]

Aphix is probably going to get lynched today and that really annoys me.

If it helps any. I either get lynched or I die tonight.

Every time I have strong scum reads I end up getting night killed. Usually one of them ends up correct.

PEDIT: Just what I was expecting. House still has a scum read on Nacho, thinks thats scum. Period. Flips aren't relevant to that. Even though he gave me "town cred" for "nacho's defense" Where was any sort of push on nacho? Good play there house. Good play.

Pretty much 100% sold there is scum in klingon and house.

VOTE: house

[Shinobi]

I actually find it incredibly odd that Nacho did the exact same thing that I just did but says the scumread on me is fine.

It's not like I have a scumread on you for it, I just don't have a town read on you for it. Why is that suspicious?

Why is it suspicious? Because you're clearly leaving yourself open to the possibility of voting him further down the road!

See how easy it is to say that to anyone? Apparently that's worthy of a lynch.

I have no idea what you're saying here but I already know it doesn't make sense.

Pedit: Oh goddamn it.

[Luca Blight]

I actually find it incredibly odd that Nacho did the exact same thing that I just did but says the scumread on me is fine.

It's not like I have a scumread on you for it, I just don't have a town read on you for it. Why is that suspicious?

Why is it suspicious? Because you're clearly leaving yourself open to the possibility of voting him further down the road!

See how easy it is to say that to anyone? Apparently that's worthy of a lynch.

I did that to one person early game, yes.
I also hard towned two other people early game.

Pretty much the same as what I did then, when I first joined the game?

Why is this scummy on my part but not on yours?

[Nachomamma8]

If it helps any. I either get lynched or I die tonight.

Every time I have strong scum reads I end up getting night killed. Usually one of them ends up correct.

This is irrational.
Your vote would be much better on Luca than it is on House.

[House]

Aphix is probably going to get lynched today and that really annoys me.

If it helps any. I either get lynched or I die tonight.

No you won't, you are either scum or an asset to scum.

[Luca Blight]

I actually find it incredibly odd that Nacho did the exact same thing that I just did but says the scumread on me is fine.

It's not like I have a scumread on you for it, I just don't have a town read on you for it. Why is that suspicious?

Why is it suspicious? Because you're clearly leaving yourself open to the possibility of voting him further down the road!

See how easy it is to say that to anyone? Apparently that's worthy of a lynch.

I have no idea what you're saying here but I already know it doesn't make sense.

Pedit: Oh goddamn it.

So you're voting me based on Nacho's reasoning, yet you don't understand it?

Ok. Basically he's saying my catch-up readslist left room for voting people in future, I was just pointing out it is impossible not to do this, and gave an example of him doing this himself earlier in the game.

[Nachomamma8]

Pretty much the same as what I did then, when I first joined the game?

Why is this scummy on my part but not on yours?

You didn't make that post on page 3, you made it more than halfway through the game.
I hard towned people who were viable lynches for the day, you did not.

[aphix]

Yeah. And then someone hammers me for voting to stay alive. Which I'm not a big fan of and don't feel like someone hammering me for it.

pedit: No house. You are wrong. Period.

[Shinobi]

I actually find it incredibly odd that Nacho did the exact same thing that I just did but says the scumread on me is fine.

It's not like I have a scumread on you for it, I just don't have a town read on you for it. Why is that suspicious?

Why is it suspicious? Because you're clearly leaving yourself open to the possibility of voting him further down the road!

See how easy it is to say that to anyone? Apparently that's worthy of a lynch.

I have no idea what you're saying here but I already know it doesn't make sense.

Pedit: Oh goddamn it.

So you're voting me based on Nacho's reasoning, yet you don't understand it?

Ok. Basically he's saying my catch-up readslist left room for voting people in future, I was just pointing out it is impossible not to do this, and gave an example of him doing this himself earlier in the game.

Except he didn't do this and I was the one who came up with the idea of killing you in the first place.

[Nachomamma8]

Basically he's saying my catch-up readslist left room for voting people in future,

You didn't town any person who was a viable lynch candidate for the day, which seemed unnatural and also a very convenient position for scum looking for a mislynch.

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah. And then someone hammers me for voting to stay alive. Which I'm not a big fan of and don't feel like someone hammering me for it.

pedit: No house. You are wrong. Period.

This is also irrational.

[Luca Blight]

Pretty much the same as what I did then, when I first joined the game?

Why is this scummy on my part but not on yours?

You didn't make that post on page 3, you made it more than halfway through the game.
I hard towned people who were viable lynches for the day, you did not.

Doesn't pointing out your own apparent 'townie' behaviour render it meaningless, as you clearly could have done this to use as reasoning for why you are town later in the game, because you were aware of doing it at the time?

Whereas I had none of this pre-planning, and just gave my genuine thoughts having skimmed through.

[Nachomamma8]

Doesn't pointing out your own apparent 'townie' behaviour render it meaningless, as you clearly could have done this to use as reasoning for why you are town later in the game, because you were aware of doing it at the time?

Whereas I had none of this pre-planning, and just gave my genuine thoughts having skimmed through.

No.

[House]

pedit: No house. You are wrong. Period.

No aphix. I am not. Your pissing match with Klingon is anti-town as fuck. Such things are to be expected from newbies, but you are an SE pulling the same shit.

[Nachomamma8]

You asked me why my behavior was different than yours, I pointed it out. This information was information delivered only expressly because you asked me to. If I was scum, I probably wouldn't have made the same mistake you did, but that doesn't somehow make you town.

[Nachomamma8]

No aphix. I am not. Your pissing match with Klingon is anti-town as fuck. Such things are to be expected from newbies, but you are an SE pulling the same shit.

This is policy lynch reasoning again.