Newbie 1546: Binary Trolls (Game Over!)

[JohnnyFarrar]

flubbed quote. Whatever.

[JohnnyFarrar]

So here's a fun exercise, Everyone look at your Shiro case and remove everything that can be explained away by "This person has never been town before" and see what's left. Then list it.

[Netherspite]

Consider revising how you scumhunt. My favorite games on this site go too quick to wait for 2 week deadlines. A game I recently died in had a day that only lasted six hours and it was fucking awesome.

I'll definitely revise it when I'll start playing in non-newbie games where the activity is higher. Thanks for the advice anyway.

Because she did that a lot this game and that kind of passive language reeks of someone trying to stay on everyone's good side. If you said she behaved that way as town she'd just be a polite person, but you say she didn't.

More confident in my read now.

I'm getting unsure in my vote to be honest. Carli was my second suspect and more and more evidences for her scumminess appear.
I also really didn't like how her replacer just jumped into Shiro's wagon. As I wrote, it looked like an attempt to move the focus from him and get another wagon going.
I really don't believe Shiro and Carli can be both scum. It would be too strong play to bus each other so seriously, highly unlikely.
I don't believe there's no scum among them both either. I think I'll re-read the topic tomorrow (since it's 3:25 am here at the moment) to decide who of them is more likely to flip scum.

PEdit:

How can scum alignment stop a player from learning how to scumhunt on the others' example?
So the lack of scumhunting argument (and its extentions) stay.
How can scum alignment force a player to play defensively and to be overly concerned about himself being suspicious?
So this argument stays as well.

[Netherspite]

The key point of my case on Shiro is that his play comes from scum mindset.
Townie playing like this is just plain useless. If he is townie he clearly does not play for his win condition.
I don't believe this can be fully explained by lack of townie experience. He was playing other games as scum, he had seen many examples of how town plays.
Also the common sense should help you to get the idea of how to play as townie and that you have to play for your role goal, not for your own survival.

[Netherspite]

A fun exercise for

Shiro

and

TGGC

. Imagine a hypothetical rule of the game: if any of you is getting lynched and flips town then the other one will get lynched D2 instantly.
Would you vote the other one in such case and why?

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Going to sleep now, please don't hammer anyone until I wake and finish my analysis

if you're townie

.

[JohnnyFarrar]

There are useless townies all the time. Hell you and whatshisname had a fucking ridiculously useless conversation about fucking buddying that a less experienced me would have voted you for.

Bad play is not scummy play. I'm just gonna put that in my sig.

I don't like this hypothetical at all.

[Bulbazak]

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Vote Count

TGGC (3): Luca Blight, Toolenduso, Shiro
Netherspite (0):
Toolenduso (0):
JohnnyFarrar (0):
Shiro (2): Netherspite, TGGC
BlueBloodedToffee (0):
Luca Blight (0):
VictorDeAngelo (1): BlueBloodedToffee
GuyInFreezer (0):

Not Voting (3): VictorDeAngelo, GuyInFreezer, JohnnyFarrar

It is day 1. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, November 2 at 11:30pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-11-02 23:30:00).

GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Tuesday, October 28.

[Luca Blight]

Why was is a useless conversation? It got the game out of RVS, didn't it?

I'm not sure it's possible to have much of a useless conversation in a game of inactivity.

[JohnnyFarrar]

It was useless because you were debating gameplay. That conversation could be found in any game and would still tell us nothing about either of your alignments. Also it was distracting and intimidating to newbies who aren't used to forum games.

It was bad.

[Shiro]

A fun exercise for Shiro and TGGC. Imagine a hypothetical rule of the game: if any of you is getting lynched and flips town then the other one will get lynched D2 instantly.
Would you vote the other one in such case and why?

Yea if I don't see anything else my votes stays. I did say I would vote for the Carli spot if she didn't talk reason. She replaced out and I did. You think that is scummy then eh *shrug* can't do anything about it.

@Johnny

TGGC is at L-2 since blue unvoted not L-1

[JohnnyFarrar]

someone should vote TGGC so I don't look the fool

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So VDA has done exactly nothing all game.

How has he not accumulated some votes in that time?

Lurkers should always be watched closely, otherwise, active townies are left to fight it out between themselves whilst scum sit and wait for a wagon to jump on or just stay out of the way altogether.

[VictorDeAngelo]

We here at VDA appologies for any delays/in-frequencies in posting. Your game is currently number 3 in the queue of games to catch on. We appreciate your patience and apologies for any inconvenience this has caused.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'd policy-lynch VDA just for setting a bad example as SE.

[Netherspite]

@JohnnyFarrar

Playing against townie's role goal is not scummy play?
What is a scummy play then? Define and provide examples, please.

@VictorDeAngelo

How to understand this "we" ?...

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Nether Playing against a townies win condition is anti-town. In a perfect world that would mean scummy, but townies play like shit all the time.

[Netherspite]

I've got caught into "he's just a newbie, he's not scummy" trap once and not going to do that again.
Shiro does not look like a newbie town. He/she looks like scum.
I'm into re-reading the whole topic at the moment though, not excluding the possibility of switching my vote after doing it.

[Netherspite]

Hmm, it seems that Carli also did all the things I accused Shiro for: not scumhunting and playing defensively.
Also all the weird things others noticed and the fact that TGGC decided to help getting another wagon going asap in his only post in this game...
I think it's a good moment to put TGGC at L-1.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TGGC

Don't hammer him yet by the way, let him defend himself or claim.

[Netherspite]

TGGC is at L-1

[Bulbazak]

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Vote Count

TGGC (4): Luca Blight, Toolenduso, Shiro, Netherspite

L-1

Netherspite (0):
Toolenduso (0):
JohnnyFarrar (0):
Shiro (1): TGGC
BlueBloodedToffee (0):
Luca Blight (0):
VictorDeAngelo (1): BlueBloodedToffee
GuyInFreezer (0):

Not Voting (3): VictorDeAngelo, GuyInFreezer, JohnnyFarrar

It is day 1. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, November 2 at 11:30pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-11-02 23:30:00).

GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Tuesday, October 28.

[TGGC]

So you want me to defend? Well there is not a lot to defend, because explaining Carli's behaviour is a waste of time. 2 points came up, I am lazy and I bandwagoned. I read every post and everyone in ISO and gave you my thoughts. Voting Shiro would have the most effect at that time so I consider it good play. I agree about Victor with BlueBloodedToffee, I did not place my vote there, because it will not make an inactive player react.

About the imaginary rule: this means loosing 2 townies and a whole day of information. So its a no brainer not to do this.

[Netherspite]

Not going to claim? People usually do it at L-1.

[Netherspite]

@Mod

You're welcome

[TGGC]

Why you want me to claim that fast? That is anti town. Anyone want to hammer? Also everyone voting for me please explain why you keep your votes on me. If possible, cut out the "Carli bailed out" stuff.

[Netherspite]

So you've read every post yet you don't know that Carli already claimed and it was broadly discussed?
Very well. I'm happy with my vote on you then.