Reck's Retrospective Rehash - OVER (thx obama)

[vezokpiraka]

vote: wgeurts

I need to remember the votecounter thingy.
Ut is giving me good vibes.

[Shinobi]

Shady people who I wouldn't mind a Day 1 lynch on:
4burner
Desperado's slot
Shinobi
Triforce AFTER the wgeurts attack
Untrod Tripod
ZZZX

The pushes on Nexus and wgeurts are ridiculous and don't make sense.

Also everyone who confidently read me as town from few posts on day 1 is shady full of it and themselves. Guys, this is like the third game I've played this year; you have no clue what I'm like when I'm town.

Quick guys let's murder all of the people doing stuff.

@4burner: I'll answer you when I can be assed.

[wgeurts]

Petition to change Desperado's username to Buldermar.

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wgeurts

this caught my eye

do you know buldey, wgeurts?

you never did explain this comment. I was waiting for you to come back to the thread and answer this but you never did but I am perfectly content to let glork shout at you for something else disingenuous that you did.

the reason I ask is cos buldey hasn't posted since june 21, 2013 so I am confused as to how you got what majiffy was talking about in the first place.

VOTE: wguerts

I didn't, I signed the petition not knowing what it is about.

[wgeurts]

Wow, can someone actually build a case instead of blindly hopping on?
I imagine the scum have already got a few in there.

[SleepyKrew]

Probably
Would you like to hazard some guesses?

Do you think voting you without a case is scummy?

[4burner]

Shady people who I wouldn't mind a Day 1 lynch on:
4burner
Desperado's slot
Shinobi
Triforce AFTER the wgeurts attack
Untrod Tripod
ZZZX

The pushes on Nexus and wgeurts are ridiculous and don't make sense.

Also everyone who confidently read me as town from few posts on day 1 is shady full of it and themselves. Guys, this is like the third game I've played this year; you have no clue what I'm like when I'm town.

Quick guys let's murder all of the people doing stuff.

@4burner: I'll answer you when I can be assed.

Haha. Man you make it hard. Not a euphemism.

You are on point with your comment regarding Chevre but it's not like I asked a difficult question. Shit.

Would vote @wguerts at this stage if this tell comes through, which I'll note hasn't been refuted by wguerts which points to it being true, which then begs the question why lie as town? If not there, then Nexus or Chevre. Of course, this depends on me seeing @Bella come in convincingly enough to shift my vote.

[4burner]

Shady people who I wouldn't mind a Day 1 lynch on:
4burner
Desperado's slot
Shinobi
Triforce AFTER the wgeurts attack
Untrod Tripod
ZZZX

The pushes on Nexus and wgeurts are ridiculous and don't make sense.

Also everyone who confidently read me as town from few posts on day 1 is shady full of it and themselves. Guys, this is like the third game I've played this year; you have no clue what I'm like when I'm town.

Quick guys let's murder all of the people doing stuff.

@4burner: I'll answer you when I can be assed.

So the accusation of playing dumb hasn't been refuted by @wguerts. The defense is basically "Why is asking the mod for info scummy", rather than "you are wrong because x y z." With there being no mention of the fact that they he should know the basic rules of the game he is demonstrably knowledgeable about, it looks like trying to deflect away from that argument.

The UT push looks forced. A lot of your town reads sort of conflict with one another, given the discussions taking place.

wgeurts (7): Triforce, Untrod Tripod, Majiffy, SleepyKrew, 50 Shades of Purple, Nexus, vezokpiraka

Who is scum on your wagon wguerts, and include me because I've talked myself into it.

@Bella - Still waiting on a catch up.

VOTE: wguerts

[Iecerint]

oh iec please don't think I'm being salty because I don't like you, I'm just feeling ~sassy~ right now

Huh? What gave you that impression?

[wgeurts]

Vezo looks scum to me, also how can I refute an argument which isn't even a good argument.
The argument goes:
1.X asked mod a question he should know the answer to.
2.X is scum.

That is flawed beyond belief, how would what I did aid the scum in any way? It was literally just was just what it was; a question.

[Iecerint]

So you don't think I'm town, then? Shenobi has changed his view of me over to

silly

now, so where does that leave you?

I think it's more that you misunderstood Shinobi's take on you rather than that he changed his perspective.

I would say I am probably more ambivalent than Shinobi whereas he is learning town. I am actually comfortable with being ambivalent because I only have to lynch one person and I'm ambivalent enough to not really think it should be you.

In other words, the main relevance of those parts was that they gave me a town read on Shinobi rather than that I had a particular read on you.

[Iecerint]

Wards posting looks bizarre. Chevre digs deeper and deeper. Triforce and wguerts wagons are equally compelling, and I'll sheep ooba if he's going to cite some evidence and vote wguerts because it's a strange post. As town, I see motivation to not lie (feign ignorance) and play as straight forward as possible because you don't want to make things

more

chaotic. If it can be shown that wguerts is lying here, a town motivation will be hard to find.

Clarification: is Chevre digging a grave for himself, or is Chevre getting to the bottom of things? Not sure which metaphor you intended.

[SleepyKrew]

Do you think voting you without a case is scummy?

[wgeurts]

Do you think voting you without a case is scummy?

Yes.

[Iecerint]

Wow, can someone actually build a case instead of blindly hopping on?
I imagine the scum have already got a few in there.

The nature of your defense upon initial pressure (e.g., reasoning-less list of suspects that duplicate other areas of suspicion by other players) is the main thing that makes me wonder about you I think. That kind of approach looks like it is designed to generate concordance with other players' reads rather than that it is evidence of a desire to lynch scum. Your reasoning coming after your reads gives the impression that you picked reads first and found reasoning second, which is consistent with finding a lynch target and using rhetoric to lynch them rather than using reasoning to assess whether different people are scum.

[Iecerint]

Not all of your comments read that way tho.

Vezo looks scum to me, also how can I refute an argument which isn't even a good argument.
The argument goes:
1.X asked mod a question he should know the answer to.
2.X is scum.

That is flawed beyond belief, how would what I did aid the scum in any way? It was literally just was just what it was; a question.

Like this doesn't for example, because this looks you encountered bullshit and had a reasonable reads-update subsequent to that bullshit encounter.

[4burner]

So you don't think I'm town, then? Shenobi has changed his view of me over to

silly

now, so where does that leave you?

I think it's more that you misunderstood Shinobi's take on you rather than that he changed his perspective.

I would say I am probably more ambivalent than Shinobi whereas he is learning town. I am actually comfortable with being ambivalent because I only have to lynch one person and I'm ambivalent enough to not really think it should be you.

In other words, the main relevance of those parts was that they gave me a town read on Shinobi rather than that I had a particular read on you.

That's an option. It's possible I'm reading Shinobi wrong for sure, but I'm going to investigate things and seek reactions. And ambivalence at this stage is all well and good I guess. Carry on.

Wards posting looks bizarre. Chevre digs deeper and deeper. Triforce and wguerts wagons are equally compelling, and I'll sheep ooba if he's going to cite some evidence and vote wguerts because it's a strange post. As town, I see motivation to not lie (feign ignorance) and play as straight forward as possible because you don't want to make things

more

chaotic. If it can be shown that wguerts is lying here, a town motivation will be hard to find.

Clarification: is Chevre digging a grave for himself, or is Chevre getting to the bottom of things? Not sure which metaphor you intended.

Chevre is digging a grave for himself. Day 1 is always shaky, but it's tough to assign the slot a town vibe when reading through, and easy to read as scum.

[Iecerint]

I actually have an easier time getting townreads than scumreads when I am town. When I am town, I know how at least one town person is reading the thread, so it's relatively easy to notice when other players are on the same wavelength as me.

[SleepyKrew]

Do you think voting you without a case is scummy?

Yes.

Seems to contradict your Triforce townread, doesn't it?
Scumcaught let's go

[Iecerint]

Ya Triforce townread also seemed weird to me. Seemed like a read designed to assuage Triforce rather than a legit townread (cf., how I get townreads in my previous post for why I might have that impression).

[SleepyKrew]

Iec
You should vote him
Nexus will happen later

[wgeurts]

Triforce gave reasons and has looked town before this, although the reasons were crap they are still there and it's towny IMO to look for scum and start to push. The whole thing wouldn't make sense as scum, people jumping on without saying why however would.

[SleepyKrew]

What
People are sheeping Triforce
Good luck convincing anyone that you didn't get that

[Kise]

@Bella - Still waiting on a catch up.

Only been a few hours, and this is 19 pages? Also how come you didn't jump on ZZZX after Chevre and myself were no longer voting him?

So you don't think I'm town, then? Shenobi has changed his view of me over to

silly

now, so where does that leave you?

I think it's more that you misunderstood Shinobi's take on you rather than that he changed his perspective.

I would say I am probably more ambivalent than Shinobi whereas he is learning town. I am actually comfortable with being ambivalent because I only have to lynch one person and I'm ambivalent enough to not really think it should be you.

In other words, the main relevance of those parts was that they gave me a town read on Shinobi rather than that I had a particular read on you.

Idk abut that answer.

FOS Iec

[Iecerint]

???

[Bella]

THIS WAS LOW EVEN FOR YOU, RECK.

When I was compiling scum roles, Desp's insistence on a game claim made me think "What if he rolled a Lyncher role" - but then dropped the idea because Frat Party Mafia (game he claimed) doesnt have a lyncher role.

This post made me think of that again. (as in it gave me vibes of Bella complaining about the role she replaced into)

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Gonna take up Triforce's advice to go through wgeurts earlier posts on site.

Read Lost: Season Three, realize that there are very few possible roles he can give me worse than the one I got in that clusterfuck of a game, then conclude (accurately) that I'm bitching about who he conned me into replacing rather than my role.