Newbie 1546: Binary Trolls (Game Over!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Jumping from target to target...because I have moved my vote the whole of one time? Pur-lease.

[Netherspite]

You give absolutely crap reasoning for your votes yet you're really confident in them.
It just does look insane.

[Bulbazak]

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Vote Count

TGGC (0):
Netherspite (3): TGGC, Toolenduso, BlueBloodedToffee
Toolenduso (0):
JohnnyFarrar (0):
Shiro (2): Netherspite, JohnnyFarrar
BlueBloodedToffee (0):
Luca Blight (0):
VictorDeAngelo (0):
GuyInFreezer (0):

Not Voting (4): VictorDeAngelo, GuyInFreezer, Shiro, Luca Blight

It is day 1. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, November 2 at 11:30pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-11-02 23:30:00).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah.

VDA is lurking hard. Taking way too long with his catch up as well. He won't even have caught up by deadline.

You just said something that I found pretty scummy and I voted you for it.

Where is the problem? How am I jumping around?

[Netherspite]

There was nothing scummy, I was sharing thoughts and my experience from the previous game.
If I knew you would react like this I'd still do it, because it shows only how insane are your reads and votes and not how scummy I am.

Interesting how you also like to ignore questions.
I'll repeat them for you:

@BlueBloodedToffee

If you would have to choose your vote for D1 from all players

except the VictorDeAngelo

, who would you vote and why?
Also, what are your reads on all the players?

I'll extend the exception and add me to it.
In other words, do you have anyone to vote for

not

shit reason?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What you just did was incredibly scummy. It's a great reason to vote somebody.

You basically just tried to get yourself some town-cred if the Shiro lynch goes through. So we lynch her, she flips 'town', you say 'Aww, I wish I had listened to my gut, something was telling me she was town'.

If you don't like the Shiro wagon, then make sure you're not on it. Simple as that.

[Netherspite]

Did you skip the second part of that paragraph completely?
I just confirmed that I'm absolutely sure in my vote and I

will not

listen to my gut. I will not use that as an excuse either.
We all do mistakes, I admit mine instead of making shit excuses.

And you ignored the questions again.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not buying it. You can have my vote.

Reads; Town - TGGC, Shiro

Null - Tool, Johnny, Luca

Scum - Nether, GiF, VDA

[Netherspite]

Some explanation for GiF and Shiro votes are welcome.

Also, please keep your vote, I didn't mean to convince you into anything. Your twisted logic already makes me pretty confident you're Shiro's partner and thus it's pretty useless to convince a scum into voting the real scum instead of townie

[Netherspite]

*for GiF and Shiro reads

[JohnnyFarrar]

Did you ever explain why Shiro was town?

Also is this a gut thing exclusively Nether?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Gif for lurking.

Shiro because obvtown.

[Netherspite]

@JoyhnnyFarrar

I get slight town vibes off his last posts.
I think it's because he's attempting to fix his mistakes and adjust his play though.
So it's a slight gut feeling that almost made me hunting unexistant witches.

@BlueBloodedToffee

"obvtown" ain't really a reasoning.
Luca is lurking now as well. Why are you not scumreading him then?

[Netherspite]

sorry for a mistake in your name, Johnny.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't explain town-reads.

I prefer people to tell me why they're scum-reading who I'm town-reading.

[Netherspite]

That's very nice position.

"I'll townread random persons, scumread other random persons for shit reasons and if someone disagrees with me then they should explain me why they're right while I won't explain anything."

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, I'll explain all scum-reads. All of the time.

Explaining town-reads accomplishes nothing. Anybody can fake a town-read, whereas it's a lot more difficult for scum to fabricate a scum-read. Therefore, I like people to explain their scum-reads rather than me explain a town-read.

[Netherspite]

Your scumreads is what looks fabricated to be honest.
Townreads as well.

===

Going to sleep.
Please don't hammer anyone, I still hope we'll hear something from Vic and GiF before the deadline.

[Luca Blight]

I''m not lurking, I've just been busy as hell over the last week, particularly the last few days. I now have a few days to get stuck into this.

I have skimmed through and Blue's protection of Shiro seems to have stuck out to a few, and fact he has now claimed Shiro is 'obv Town', while giving absurd views like one of the other replacements must be scum, and lining up a potential vote on myself further down the road by saying I could be scum, but being very non-committal raises serious doubts in my mind.

I'm gonna get stuck into this in the morning as it's late, but I know where I'm gonna stick my vote for now.

VOTE: Toffee

[toolenduso]

My plan right now is to go back and pick apart the Nether cases (if they're as forgettable as they seem to be) and win those two over to a Shiro lynch and then hope Blue takes his head out of his ass.

My biggest reason for not wanting to lynch Shiro is her vote on TGGC in #215. Give me an explanation for scumShiro doing that.

[Luca Blight]

My plan right now is to go back and pick apart the Nether cases (if they're as forgettable as they seem to be) and win those two over to a Shiro lynch and then hope Blue takes his head out of his ass.

My biggest reason for not wanting to lynch Shiro is her vote on TGGC in #215. Give me an explanation for scumShiro doing that.

Because she was being questioned on why she wasn't voting, and probably thought she looked suspicious in not doing so at that stage?

That vote actually did look a bit scummy to me, as it seemed to contradict her earlier reason for not voting that slot. The fact Carli turned from a lurker to being replaced should not have any effect on her read, it was bizarre.

[toolenduso]

Town:
-TGGC: For the doc claim and the circumstances in which he did it.
-JohnnyFarrar: I didn't feel strongly either way about lolbabe, but I get nothing but towny vibes from Johnny. Posts like #368 and #438 demonstrate a towny mindset and a desire to get town to work together productively.

Null town:
-Luca Blight: I get towny vibes from his posts (he appears to be genuinely scumhunting), but nothing that makes me say "I don't see how this could come from scum." The buddying argument with nether also has potential scumminess behind it, preventing me from making Luca a full town read.
-Shiro: While I agree that Shiro looks scummy through most of her ISO, it's hard for me to see her vote on TGGC coming from scum. It just feels unnecessarily risky and weird for scum to pull.
-BlueBloodedToffee: While his play is definitely anti-town (using statistical theory to proclaim that scum has to be in one of two slots, advocating voting lurkers, not explaining his reads when asked), I don't see this play coming from scum. Usually scum try to look good -- that's how you don't get caught. Doing things that seem like they will deliberately piss people off is not something I think I've seen very many scum do.

Null:
-GuyInFreezer: Still paranoid of this slot by unable to find anything all that incriminating in the ISO.

Null scum:
-VictorDeAngelo: Whether the lurking was intentional or not can never be shown, but I don't like his catch-up attempts. He's analyzing like 3 out of every 5 posts rather than picking out the things he finds most important and generally what he's posting doesn't look like he's trying to catch scum. I agree with Johnny that policy-lynching lurkers gives town nothing to go on the next day, but I think lynching lurkers based on their play does give town something to go on.

Scum:
-Netherspite: If there were another category in between null scum and scum, that's where I would put Netherspite. His play overall gives me towny vibes. And yet I feel like his interactions with Carli could very easily come from scum interacting with town and I think his reasoning for his vote on Carli looks like scum who see an opportunity for a mislynch. See #311 for more detail.

[toolenduso]

My biggest reason for not wanting to lynch Shiro is her vote on TGGC in #215. Give me an explanation for scumShiro doing that.

Because she was being questioned on why she wasn't voting, and probably thought she looked suspicious in not doing so at that stage?

OK, but then she chooses to vote a player she thinks she's putting at L-1? And who has just replaced in? That seems like a pretty conspicuous time to place a vote you've been holding behind your back.

That vote actually did look a bit scummy to me, as it seemed to contradict her earlier reason for not voting that slot. The fact Carli turned from a lurker to being replaced should not have any effect on her read, it was bizarre.

Her reasoning was that it was scummy for Carli to have lurked out under pressure like she did. It's not great reasoning, but it's there. And it holds consistent with Shiro's perspective later in the game when she starts advocating to lynch VDA solely because he's lurking.

[Luca Blight]

I don't know, I don't like how she had posted (welcoming the replacements into the game) then Toffee asked why she wasn't voting, and she just basically complied and voted straight away. Why hadn't she voted in that initial post if that was her genuine intention when Carli replaced out? She also asked a question to TGGC to explain Carli's actions after her vote, putting him at L-1 before he'd even started. Why didn't she ask him before the vote to try and gauge his reaction? You wonder why would scumShiro make that vote, I'm failing to see why TownShiro would.

[Bulbazak]

Bump.