Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

Mathdino · Post Post #950 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:44 pm

Finally. So I did this right before the mod locked the thread, coloured it afterwards. Will analyse based on NK flip in a sec.

Spoiler: VC IIoA

ISO · Post Post #951 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:45 pm

hi guys

Malakittens · Post Post #952 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:46 pm

VOTE: Wisdom

Riddleton · Post Post #953 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:47 pm

VOTE: MalaKittens

Malakittens · Post Post #954 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:48 pm

It's MaLaKiTtIeS get it right.

but i mean you should use your vote to lynch scum.

Malakittens · Post Post #955 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:49 pm

In post 951, borkjerfkin wrote:hi guys

hiiii!

ISO · Post Post #956 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:49 pm

considering there are no investigative roles in this game, I am utterly unmoved by naked votes at daystart, especially after a scumflip

Malakittens · Post Post #957 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:50 pm

In post 956, borkjerfkin wrote:considering there are no investigative roles in this game, I am utterly unmoved by naked votes at daystart, especially after a scumflip

Wisdom has been scummy all game.

How much have you read?

Riddleton · Post Post #958 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:50 pm

Sorry,

VOTE: MaLaKiTtIeS

ISO · Post Post #959 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:54 pm

In post 957, Malakittens wrote:
In post 956, borkjerfkin wrote:considering there are no investigative roles in this game, I am utterly unmoved by naked votes at daystart, especially after a scumflip

Wisdom has been scummy all game.

How much have you read?

I'm mostly caught up, but I want to get both of your (you and riddle, since you're both so charged out of the gate) conceptions of the gamestate.

Malakittens · Post Post #960 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:54 pm

In post 958, Riddleton wrote:Sorry,

VOTE: MaLaKiTtIeS

Thats still not using it to lynch scum.

Riddleton · Post Post #961 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:55 pm

In post 950, Mathdino wrote:Finally. So I did this right before the mod locked the thread, coloured it afterwards. Will analyse based on NK flip in a sec.

Spoiler: VC IIoA
Structure:
[Voter] -> [Votee], [number of votes on Votee], [stated reason if any (I'll put a link if there's a bunch of reasoning)]
[Unvoter] XX [Unvotee], [number of votes on Unvotee], [stated reason if any]

acryon
->
Victor
, 1, RV (later says vote stands due to Victor's questioning/defending)

Mathdino
->
SilverWolf
, 1, RV

Victor
->
Mathdino
, 1, RV

BMWS
->
TTH
, 1, RV

Wisdom
->
NM
, 1, RV

SilverWolf
->
Mathdino
, 2, RV/jokingly OMGUS

Malakittens
->
Wisdom
, 1, RV

Wisdom
XX
NM
, 0

Wisdom
->
Mathdino
, 3, "I like wagons"

wgeurts
->
Wisdom
, 2, "this is not sitting well with me"

wgeurts
XX
Wisdom
, 1, "it's all a reaction test"/"there's nothing to gain here"

Victor
XX
Mathdino
, 2

Victor
->
wgeurts
, 1, no stated reason

Mathdino
XX
SilverWolf
, 0

Mathdino
->
Victor
, 2, asking suspicious questions

TTH
->
Wisdom
, 2, "Not_Mafia and Wisdom have both telegraphed scumreads on Victor, but they seem a lot more guarded about it"

SilverWolf
XX
Mathdino
, 1

SilverWolf
->
Victor
, 3, "making way too much of a simple question as though you are looking for a reason to suspect someone"

Malakittens
XX
Wisdom
, 1

Malakittens
->
acryon
, 1, "I don't like Acyron injecting here"/forced looking posts

Newbie
->
wgeurts
, 2, reaction testing and general sketchiness

wgeurts
->
Newbie
, 1, "her vote was very opportunistic and he hasn't scum hunted"

Mathdino
XX
Victor
, 2

Mathdino
->
wgeurts
, 3, mason fishing

BMWS
XX
TTH
, 0

BMWS
->
wgeurts
, 4, "to add pressure on you so that you'll create a good defense to Mathdino's accusations"

wgeurts
XX
Newbie

wgeurts
->
wgeurts
, 5, "I'm town and I'd rather die quickly and give you info"

wgeurts
XX
wgeurts
, 4, "As requested"

Wisdom
XX
Mathdino
, 0

Wisdom
->
wgeurts
, 5, "I don't like this quick recovery"

wgeurts
->
Wisdom
, 2, =24679#p6313218]Here's the votepost and here's his case later on

SilverWolf
XX
Victor
, 1

SilverWolf
->
Wisdom
, 3, "You remind me of scum trying to push the easiest mislynch"

Newbie
XX
wgeurts
, 4

Newbie
->
Wisdom
, 4, "I actually agree with the case [wgeurts] made against you"

Mathdino
XX
wgeurts
, 3

Mathdino
->
SilverWolf
, 1, Here's the context but just read my case if you wanna know

Mathdino
XX
SilverWolf
, 0

Mathdino
->
wgeurts
, 4, SilverWolf descended to 2nd on my scumlist

acryon
XX
Victor
, 0

acryon
->
SilverWolf
, 1, Here's his case and here's another

Mathdino
XX
wgeurts
, 3

Mathdino
->
SilverWolf
, 2, I didn't like her reaction to me/Wisdom/acryon

Malakittens
XX
acryon
, 0, "I do like Acyron's latest posts so .... yeah..."

Constantine
->
Victor
, 1, no stated reason

Mathdino
XX
SilverWolf/Riddleton
, 1, she was getting replaced

Constantine
XX
Victor
, 0, no stated reason

NM
->
Victor
, 1, no stated reason

Constantine
->
Mathdino
, 1, thinks I'm scum with Victor

BMWS
XX
wgeurts
, 2

BMWS
->
Constantine
, 1 "I don't like you, Constantine

Wisdom
XX
wgeurts
, 1

Wisdom
->
Malakittens
, 1, "I'm not happy with her play. She needs to do more, starting with explaining her reads."

Mathdino
->
Constantine
, 2, pointing out associations

Constantine
XX
Mathdino
, 0, "Emotion is a town tell"

Constantine
->
Victor
, 2, no stated reason

TTH
XX
Wisdom
, 3, confusion

wgeurts
XX
Wisdom
, 2

wgeurts
->
Constantine
, 3, "for all these comtradictions"

TTH
->
Victor
, 3, PoE and looking through ISO

TTH
XX
Victor
, 2, "I'm having a reference frame crisis."

Newbie
XX
Wisdom
, 1, let's not talk about this

Riddleton
XX
Wisdom
, 0

Riddleton
->
Victor
, 3, muddafuckin' case

TTH
->
Victor
, 4, here ya go

Wisdom
XX
Malakittens
, 0

Wisdom
->
Constantine
, 4, "bullshit about scumtells"

acryon
XX
Riddleton
, 0

acryon
->
Constantine
, 5, mini case

Mathdino
XX
Constantine
, 4

Mathdino
->
Riddleton
, 1, "more likely lynch"

Newbie
->
Victor
, 5, reasons above

Wisdom
XX
Constantine
, 3

Wisdom
->
Riddleton
, 2, probably same as me

wgeurts
XX
Constantine
, 2

wgeurts
->
Victor
, 6, no stated reason

Mathdino
XX
Riddleton
, 1

Mathdino
->
Constantine
, 3, "Riddleton's last post is convincing enough"

Wisdom
XX
Riddleton
, 0

Wisdom
->
Constantine
, 4, presumably to get a lynch

Malakittens
->
Victor
, 7, HAMMERTIME

Please provide analysis for this.

Riddleton · Post Post #962 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:56 pm

In post 960, Malakittens wrote:
In post 958, Riddleton wrote:Sorry,

VOTE: MaLaKiTtIeS

Thats still not using it to lynch scum.

Brilliant defence A+++ would play again

Malakittens · Post Post #963 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:57 pm

Anyways, I believe MathDino is likely town.
Also I have a good feeling that Riddle might be as well even though he's being dumb and voting me.

Malakittens · Post Post #964 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:58 pm

In post 959, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 957, Malakittens wrote:
In post 956, borkjerfkin wrote:considering there are no investigative roles in this game, I am utterly unmoved by naked votes at daystart, especially after a scumflip

Wisdom has been scummy all game.

How much have you read?

I'm mostly caught up, but I want to get both of your (you and riddle, since you're both so charged out of the gate) conceptions of the gamestate.

I'm just really hyped right now, don't ask me why :\

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #965 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:01 pm

I hope this is an example to follow my wagons in the future. As policy, you should only start wagons on people off the wagon, the day immediately after lynching scum.
Acyron and Mathdino, one of which is confirmed scum, should be our first and foremost priorities.
VOTE: Acyon

Mathdino · Post Post #966 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:02 pm

Alright, so let's see. In my experience, scum rarely vote each other in RVS (rarely, not never), and acryon's behaviour toward Victor this game reads very townish. acryon joins the townlist.
wgeurts also practically confirmed town, Victor literally just said "I have a new person I want wagon".

Victorscum in Austin Powers Mafia. His scumbuddies were Kthxbye and shos. Note that when he decides to bus shos, he does provide reasons rather than a naked vote. On the other hand, he votes Psyche with extremely little reasoning, same with CC. His scumcases as scum are much more fleshed out than his towncases.

This is Victorscum in Newbie 1517 in which his scumbuddy was TSO who replaced out and became Mala. He displays similar nonchalance about being at L-1, however in this case a lot of it is directed at TSO. He also busses his teammate almost off the bat when he replaces in, again providing more reasoning and interaction than with people he knows are town.

Lastly, we have this game, in which his scumbuddy is vonflare. ONCE AGAIN, his 2nd or 3rd vote is bussing his scumbuddy after directly interacting with him.

What's this tell us? The issue this game is Victor did comparatively little voting. However we do know that his scumbuddy bussing usually happens after interacting with them a bit, and that just didn't happen with wgeurts.

Edit: Written as of #956.

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #967 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:04 pm

Everyone... I started the wagon, based on my gut. Give me the decency of continuing our assault on the forces of evil.
I'm all for lynching the last people on the wagon now, but it was a common policy on my first site to lynch people off the wagon, as you get a better probability of hitting scum.

Acyron and Mathdino's reactionary defense makes a lot more sense. I really have no clue which of the two is scum, but mathdino seems like a cool guy, so we'll let him live for now.

ISO · Post Post #968 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:04 pm

In post 965, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I hope this is an example to follow my wagons in the future. As policy, you should only start wagons on people off the wagon, the day immediately after lynching scum.
Acyron and Mathdino, one of which is confirmed scum, should be our first and foremost priorities.
VOTE: Acyon

This is pseudoscience as a general premise and is really vague as it pertains to this game. How are you getting a bucket of two with confirmed scum in it?

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #969 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:05 pm

Mathdino, are you serious? If anything, it looks like you were bussing Victordeangelo like some newbie in the RVS stage.

Riddleton · Post Post #970 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:05 pm

scum rarely vote each other in RVS

This is false. If you wish, I can provide many games in which scum vote each other in RVS. They do this so they can avoid interacting with the town.

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #971 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:05 pm

This is pseudoscience as a general premise and is really vague as it pertains to this game. How are you getting a bucket of two with confirmed scum in it?
beefycheese

God told me in a vision.

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #972 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:06 pm

In post 970, Riddleton wrote:
scum rarely vote each other in RVS

This is false. If you wish, I can provide many games in which scum vote each other in RVS. They do this so they can avoid interacting with the town.

That's actually a solid scum tell. Who said that? Mathdino?

Malakittens · Post Post #973 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:06 pm

My lynch pool is this:

{Wisdom, BMWS, Riddleton, Wgegurts}

In that order.

Riddleton · Post Post #974 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:07 pm

I wouldn't use that fact to find associations, though.