Newbie 1546: Binary Trolls (Game Over!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know...

Are you going to elaborate further?

[Netherspite]

@BlueBloodedToffee

Not yet or it will break it if I got it right.
We'll see soon.

[Netherspite]

Why is Netherspite getting voted?

(Hey guys I'm back for REAL this time. Sorry for being gone longer than I expected.)

I'm really bothered by GiF being still absent despite stating the opposite.
No, that does not make him looking scummy in my opinion but I'd really like to hear what does he think on the current wagons.

[toolenduso]

Nah, it's very easy to fake town-reads. 'X is town because town-vibes from their posting, they look like they're trying to scum-hunt, they're asking lots of questions, gut-read' etc etc. ANYBODY can easily fake a town-read.

It's much more difficult to create a scum-read on someone you KNOW to be town when you're scum.

Tell me what the downside is to explaining why you're townreading somebody.

iirc he quoted your own words that you see a genuine town motivation behind doing what I do but choose to believe more into scum motivation.

Yeah, he quoted it, but he didn't ask me any questions. All he said was "Oh this is easier than I thought" (#439). Was I really supposed to respond to that?

If you see both town and scum motivation behind some actions possible then why choosing one over another?

It's the combination of these things:

-A scum explanation fits well with your play. A town explanation also fits, but then there's...
-The timing of your jump onto the TGGC wagon and your position on that wagon.
-The wording of your post when you voted for TGGC, which made it seem like you were looking for a reason to vote that slot.
-Post #274, in which you say your conviction that the TGGC slot is scum has been strengthened because TGGC, who had just replaced in, wasn't reading carefully.

The explanation for scum Shiro doing that is too push an easy lunch that could've gotten away from her since that slot got replaced

I guess that's possible, but she said before the slot was replaced that if Carli replaced out that it would be a red flag for her. So she, as scum, would have actually been planning to shore up support for the wagon if it was replaced because she was afraid the wagon would get away from her?

[Shiro]

Why is Netherspite getting voted?

(Hey guys I'm back for REAL this time. Sorry for being gone longer than I expected.)

I'm really bothered by GiF being still absent despite stating the opposite.
No, that does not make him looking scummy in my opinion but I'd really like to hear what does he think on the current wagons.

Yea it is kinda odd that he hasn't posted anything

[Netherspite]

It's the combination of these things:

-A scum explanation fits well with your play. A town explanation also fits, but then there's...
-The timing of your jump onto the TGGC wagon and your position on that wagon.
-The wording of your post when you voted for TGGC, which made it seem like you were looking for a reason to vote that slot.
-Post #274, in which you say your conviction that the TGGC slot is scum has been strengthened because TGGC, who had just replaced in, wasn't reading carefully.

It was some kind of "Damn! How blind was I! I am accusing Shiro for all of that but Carli did it also and some more!"
If you interprete it as scummy behavior... I don't know what to say.
But when I imagine that I'm scum I come to the conclusion that I wouldn't vote Carli at that point as her wagon would get to the lynch without my help and I would not risk jumping onto the completing wagon of townie when I had a case on another player for a while (and if she would be my scumpartner I wouldn't vote her for obvious reasons).
So I don't see any scum motivation behind it when I look from the outside.

Also, I consider not reading the game after replacing in a scum tell. Just because townie has less motivation to be lazy: he needs all the information he can get to find the scum.
Less information = less chance to catch scum. Not catching up = relying on others' reads and quotes, which will not lead you to the correct reads.
Also, it gets worse when someone says that he

did

catch up while he really

did not

. Lying is not a way to go for townie with rare exceptions.

[Netherspite]

I'm going to sleep, so I'll post my current reads for the sake of providing information to the town.

Carli/TGGC

-

Leaning town

(waiting for the D2 to find out whether his claim was real)

Bananas34/Toolenduso

-

Null

,

slightly

leaning scum

if any (because he's too tunneling me without a strong reason)

JohnnyFarrar

-

Leaning town

(he didn't do anything to change my read, while I see scenarios where he can be scum I find it unlikely at this point)

Shiro

-

Scum

(I consider his late play an attempt to adjust to look less scummy, so I can't be convinced that he's not scum yet)

BlueBloodedToffee

-

Leaning town

(If I got his intentions correctly)

Luca Blight

-

Null

(something bugs me in his latest behavior, asked a question below, need an answer to make up my mind)

VictorDeAngelo

-

Town

(If he would be scum he'd have more incentive to jump onto my wagon than on Shiro's wagon because my wagon was bigger and it seems I'm a easier lynch option)

GuyInFreezer

-

Null

(Still expecting his thoughts on the latest game events and current wagons)

Again, please don't hammer anyone, we still need some thoughts from GiF before lynching.

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@Luca Blight

The deadline is close. If there won't appear any new wagon, which one will you choose for policy lynch and why?

@Shiro

Who is your top scum read at the moment? And top 2 ?
Are you going to policy lynch your town read (iirc you townread me) if the deadline will be close and there won't be any other wagon going?
Provide explanation for all answers please

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're trying way too hard to look town.

[JohnnyFarrar]

And you're not answering peoples' questions.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I am.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Not to anyone's satisfaction

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's not my problem I'm afraid.

Did you see why I was voting Nether? What do you think about that?

[Shiro]

Who is your top scum read at the moment? And top 2 ?
Are you going to policy lynch your town read (iirc you townread me) if the deadline will be close and there won't be any other wagon going?

VDA and ?(It was blue but I really cannot see the scum intent from his latest posts is just make no sense) VDA for reasons I have already stated.

Now I can add TGGC as well cause I am still not buying the claim and hate how he went right back to lurking/MIA when people stopped questioning him.I explained my stuff about him.

I hope people will prefer to lynch VDA over you tbh. I still think you are town

[JohnnyFarrar]

Your case is hinging on the fact that he was setting up for a Shiro townflip, which I have no reason to suspect will happen right now.

[JohnnyFarrar]

That was at Blue btw.

I'd rather lynch Nether than VDA.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What do you think about him try-harding to look town?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Town have the capability of trying hard

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Trying too hard...

[JohnnyFarrar]

Now you're just nitpicking attitude. I'm not gonna vote somebody for posting a lot.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not talking about his activity levels, it's the content in his posts.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ok go find me something that's "Tryhard" and then tell me how it looks different from an active townie trying his best not to get lynched.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll post my current reads

for the sake of providing information to the town.

Try hard.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Or he suspects he's going to die soon and wants to give us all the information he has.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ok it's compromise time (unless one of the inactives magically shows up.

Tool, TGGC, and Luca, we need two of your group of three on Shiro to make it happen. Similarly you will need myself and Vic to vote Nether to make that happen. Right now I'm saying that's unlikely with what's on the table. What's keeping you from switching to Shiro?

[JohnnyFarrar]

@shiro why is Vic your go to guy and not GiF?