Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[Wisdom]

I'm not saying you're eliminating her, I'm asking if that's how it happened.

[Newbie]

Yes, but it's not as if I changed my read on you to accommodate that.

[Wisdom]

Why did you unvote me then?

[Newbie]

Why did you unvote me then?

Because I want to see what acryon has to say.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

You people are impossible. We lynch people who were off the wagon the day after hitting scum
It doesn't matter what happened, what your reads are, that's all blah.

You pick one of the two options on the table, and you run with it. Mala is not being lynched. Wisdom is not being lynched. We are lynching Acyron.
VOTE: Acyron

[blindmewithscience]

Why in the world would you all post SEVEN PAGES of stuff in under 24 hours. You've got to be kidding me. Reading through the entire thing now.
And right off the bat, I don't like Constantine's certainty about his lynch in the post above this.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Apparently the more confident I am in a lynch, the less others are.
Please....

[blindmewithscience]

And finally caught up. Please don't post 4 pages while I'm sleeping next time

Lol. Says the guy who made 30 posts in a row.

Constantine, the only reasoning you've given for acryon is in 965, and that's pretty much been disproven. I said I didn't like your overconfidence in my last post because in the past, you've just given confidence with little to no reasoning, and assumed that that occured here as well. And what do you know, that's the case here.

I don't like post 1127 by NM. He pulled one thing out of Wisdom's 30 posts, and says that he's tunneling and his case is terrible rather than pointing out specific things in the case that he didn't like. Also, from his entire 14 posts, I'm not seeing anything that's been that helpful to us.

The VD lynch sucked, nobody who was voting him ever gave any good reason for voting Victor. I hated it and wanted actual scum lynched.

Really confused by this last sentence. Is he turning out to be scum not make it lynching actual scum? (Also, it's a weird coincidence that you use the exact same phrasing that MD found in his meta of SW, finding "actual scum")

If they both agree to it, I'd be up for lynching Wisdom and Mala in succession if the first lynch flips town or claims mason; their meta record of correctly reading each other is pretty undeniable. Just need Mala to convince me this isn't TvT.

Paging

blindmewithscience

,

borkjerfkin

, and

acryon

for their thoughts on this after Mala posts.

I'm not seeing wisdom-scum from MD's posts, like others have. I really didn't like the quickhammer at first, but i guess her reasoning had some sense. I'm also really confused about how a scumread of acryon came about. Could someone explain?

Plus work and plus his read is bullshit and he admits that has has read me wrong in the past as town but still would likely flat out go hey hey I thought she was town after I tunneled her so I can still read her which I find highly annoying. He did incorrectly read me and read me right after I claimed, so yes

hence bullshit because he can't tell town mala from scum mala

Wat. In post 1090, he pointed out the 3 instances of him reading you correctly as scum, and one game where he misread you

at first

, and then states that he's correctly townread you every single other game. Is this the truth or not? Because if it is, I'm going to say that the bolded part is pure BS.

[blindmewithscience]

I'm not seeing wisdom-scum from MD's posts, like others have. I really didn't like the quickhammer at first, but i guess her reasoning had some sense. I'm also really confused about how a scumread of acryon came about. Could someone explain?

Rewording of this first sentence:
I agree with other people that I don't see wisdom-scum from MD's posts.

[Mathdino]

You people are impossible. We lynch people who were off the wagon the day after hitting scum

It doesn't matter

what happened

,

what your reads are

, that's all blah.

You pick one of the two options on the table, and you run with it. Mala is not being lynched. Wisdom is not being lynched. We are lynching Acyron.
VOTE: Acyron

1. You're not the town leader.
2. You have no reasons.
3. Did you even read what I said to you? (course not) Scum. Bus. All. The. Time.
4. That's an interesting statement to make for someone who

just came to this site

.
5. Wisdom wasn't on the wagon... what...

[Mathdino]

BMWS and anyone else

: I know I kinda got drowned out by Wisdom directly afterwards, but any thoughts on my series of posts on Riddleton? How about my meta case on Victor?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Riddleton is probably town. As for acyron, well, let's all remember how right you were about the

victordeangelo lynch

.
You know, the one you weren't on. Look kid, relax, and join the smart wagon. You wont regret it.

Bussing does happen, but it is very rare, and mostly done by newbs. I asked you this earlier, but have you ever played as scum before?

[Mathdino]

I don't even know how to respond to this.

Why is Riddleton town?

You are aware that you're literally using a logical fallacy to justify yourself, right? Reverse Gambler's Fallacy; just because you were right once doesn't mean you're right now. Just because I was wrong once doesn't mean I'm wrong now. And as I said a long time ago, from my perspective, you're very wrong about me, so why would I sheep you just because you ask me to? You have done nothing to convince me (or anyone else) of anything this entire game, so don't pretend you're reaching out to me.

No, I've never finished a game as scum before. Have you ever played on MafiaScum before? I've read/skimmed over 100 games on this site. If you really want me to bombard you with MD threads talking about how insanely common bussing is, let me know.

Why have you answered no one's questions at any point in this game? You are almost universally regarded as useless by the town, hate to break it to you.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

People who talk about fallacies should know that every argument is based off of one.
Every argument is either argumem de axiom, argumem de obicular, or argumem de astern.

Fallacies are an invention for stupid people to sound smart when they don't know how to properly argue. But yes, keep putting scum on the town pedestal to the end of the game.
We'll see how that continues to work out for you, considering I probably have five times the experience playing this game over you.

Not everyone likes me in this game, but when I make an accusation it is usually either right or highly justified.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

The fact that you are town reading the people town would normally be scum reading, is very alarming at this point.
Additionally, I'm concerned that you are scum reading the people who you should be town reading.

Bussing is possible, but it isn't as likely as you would think. Even if it did happen, it is never advisable to lynch players immediately based off of that assumption. An assumption which can't be close to proven.
I think you're overthinking things. Stop overthinking this game. I guarantee you mafia isn't planning their steps as articulate as you make them out to be.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Riddleton is town. I will stand firmly against his lynch.
But I encourage people to try. The sooner it breaks down the sooner we can focus on lynching acyron.

[Mathdino]

Dude. 'Argumem' isn't even a word. Neither is 'obicular'. 'Astern' means the back of a ship. And if you're saying that all arguments based on axioms are fallacious, that's just flat out false.
So yes, Constantine, your 'fallacies' do seem to be an invention for stupid people to sound smart when they don't know how to properly argue.

Appeal to authority, by the way. Fallacies don't mean you're wrong, but they do mean that your argument sucks and is no reason anyone should vote me or acryon.

Oh, so your accusations are justified?

THEN. JUSTIFY. THEM.

Edit: I can't even respond to that when I don't have any idea what you're referring to.
I'm never going to lynch them for being on a scumwagon. I'm going to lynch them because their play is scummy. You trying to dumb this game down to "Let's lynch everyone off the wagon" is an insane oversimplification.

[Mathdino]

You have no idea how badly I'd want to policy lynch you right now if it was still D1 and there were no legit leads.

If you're scum and your entire play was a ploy to piss me off and screw with my reads, then I'll be applauding you after endgame.

Heads up; Newbie finally has a meta on site. Gonna be skimming that in a sec.

[Malakittens]

You wanna know what's really shitty.

Besides gut, VDA's meta research analysis and Wisdom being off the lynch and being abouestly hard-headed against it I wanna get him lynched.

I don't really see why MathDino is wanting is to get lynched one after another. It's lining up lynches if both Wisdom and I are town and I hate that. (even then I'd still win over Wisdom)

[Mathdino]

I'm not; it was a suggestion and one I wanted to run past the both of you first. You two seemed really really confident on the whole being able to read each other, so I was wondering if it'd be possible that there was scum between you no matter what.

The fact that neither of you are comfortable with that means I'm not either.

[Malakittens]

I wouldn't be totally against a PL on SCtH, but if that was going to happen the best time would be this Day rather than later. I just feel that even though he's has a big ego that he's just defending what he feels and that not particularly scummy, but it's just that it's making him come off as an asshole.

[wgeurts]

Can we lynch him now?
If he is town scum will sail him to lylo where he'll be voting without reasons. Something we could do without. To make matters worse he doesn't answer questions. I'm not liking his Village Idiot facade at all and I think some have fallen for it. Most people would be lynched by now with what he did, why isn't he now?
His comment on bussing is also rubbish, "Newb scum only do it".

[Mathdino]

No, we're not going to ACTUALLY policy him. If anything voting without reasons and not answering questions is a bigger problem D2 than it is in LyLo. Also, unless scum feels like playing a cruel joke, I doubt his current scumreads will even survive to a 2v1 LyLo (3v2 maybe, but there's almost no chance we won't have bagged scum by the time we have 5 players).

It's not a VI facade. If anything his facade is that of someone who's an insanely good scumhunter and wants everyone to sheep him based on that (basically trying to be Majiffy).

Convince me that Riddleton's not scum and I'll consider Constantine. Voting patterns pretty much nullify the possibility of that pair though, IMO.

[Wisdom]

We lynch people who were off the wagon the day after hitting scum
It doesn't matter what happened, what your reads are, that's all blah.

lolno, we lynch whoever is scum. Such rules don't apply

Why am I town? Why are you not considering me even though I was off the wagon?

[Wisdom]

Is he turning out to be scum not make it lynching actual scum?

I was talking about why I was against the Victor wagon yesterday.