Open 572: Nightless Vengeful Mayhem - Game Over

[droog]

what did bert do you dont like

[Bert]

Phil, there are roughly 21 hours left on a 17 day deadline. There is no need to express intent to hammer in a nightless game. The next day goes on immediately after hammer. There is no night.

[Bert]

I'm buying the latter more than the former right now.

That part is null. I agree with the rest of your points though in previous posts.

[droog]

fink includes me in a list of players who would not lynch philamon
philamon quotes direct contradictory evidence

fink does not respond
changes conversations
and later repeats the point phil disputed

phil while you're here
please confirm that this is how you saw events

[Bert]

ore.

UNVOTE: with intent to vote Bob, pending me digging up a VC to check where it would put him.

PEdit: Well goddamnit. Am I still allowed to post here?

I'd like to express intent to put Bob at L-1, unless any objections are raised.

VOTE: Bicephalous Bob

I'm not townreading Bert because you are scumreading him, I repeat- I'm still reasonably convinced he is scum. However, what *you* are giving as your reasons for lynching him feels like bussing in a scramble to be on the first successful scum lynch of the game (if Bert does, indeed, flip scum), which, oddly enough, fits my existing reads. Hence the following. VOTE: Fink

[/unvote]Bert[/unvote]

I still like the lynch, but I suddenly don't like the reasons that are being touted. This said, with the deadline looming (albeit meaningless), I may jump back on.

So many instances of cold feet or extreme hesitance of your top scumreads.

I'd like to express intent to hammer.

By which I mean I'm expressing intent to hammer, for basically the same reasons as when I voted Bert last time. With the added bonus of "everything bert has done since then has been fluff, or self-damning" (as was pointed out by Willy, could be genuine admission, could be pity-ploy. I'm buying the latter more than the former right now.)

I don't know why you feel the need to (nervously) justify every single re-vote or un-vote when the end vote is the same and points you raised have been repeated ad nauseam.

[Not_Mafia]

VC 5.14

Phillammon (0)-

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (1)-

Fink

Fink (2)-

droog, Bert

(L-2)

SlickWilly (0)-

Bert (3)-

Shaddowez, Thor665, SlickWilly

(L-1)

Not Voting (1)-

Phillammon

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-11-06 22:00:00)

- Nov 6th 22:00 GMT

[Phillammon]

Droog, this is accurate.

Bert, you make a good point. I'd personally say that there is a good reason to express intent, because if you're about to pull something spectacular and prove your innocence, immediately after someone expresses intent to hammer is one hell of a time to do it.

However, you didn't do that.

VOTE: Bert

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[Not_Mafia]

VC 5.15

Phillammon (0)-

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (1)-

Fink

Fink (2)-

droog, Bert

(L-2)

SlickWilly (0)-

Bert (4)-

Shaddowez, Thor665, SlickWilly, Phillammon

LYNCHED

Not Voting (0)-

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-11-06 22:00:00)

- Nov 6th 22:00 GMT

[Not_Mafia]

Hammer

Bert

was

lynched

day 5, they were a

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

[Not_Mafia]

VC 6.00

Phillammon (0)-

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (0)-

Fink (0)-

SlickWilly (0)-

Not Voting (6)-

Phillammon, Shaddowez, Thor665, droog, Fink, SlickWilly

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-11-25 20:00:00)

- Nov 25th 20:00 GMT

[droog]

i appreciate we didnt have to wait
one mislynch before lylo

if i had two vig shots rn
id use them on fink and slick

[SlickWilly]

You have to admit, he made a good case against himself. I am surprised by this flip. I'm sorry Bert, those sad puppy eyes were legit after all.

So far, the known townies were confident in the case against Phill (Blair, Bert, and Bob), Thor (Acryon), and Fink (Bert). I'll have to reread DCL/Bin's reads to recall their main suspects.

I wanted to see if Fink or Phill hammered Bert. I had figured if Bert flipped scum, Phill's hammer would be an easy bus. With a Bert townie, I can't read the hammer. Maybe I'm putting too much stock into known-townie reads. I intend to be more interactive and less retro-active from here on out. I'll give it a day to digest and get back to ya'll.

[Thor665]

I think this all comes down to people 'feeling' as if this game is being driven by scum, so your (at least from my perception) spot as townleader sounds an alarm. Without killing roles (and so many mislynches available), scum need to drive the game and appear most townie to outlast lynches. Their only weapon here is that they know the roles. Your confidence comes off as dangerous.

That might make sense if I otherwise as town or in other setups looked and/or acted non-confident.
I don't - I've actually openly stated that I think sounding confident is a good tool to get the lynches you want and advise newer players to fake it when stating reads.
Other than that the case is 'feels' and if you recognize that I have no idea why you were asking me to analyze their reads. I disproved their factual statements and disagreed with their 'feels' multiple times already. The info was there.

acryon ended up town
do you think dys' 'feels' case came from a same spot?

My prediction would by no because Dys expressed disagreement and scummy vibes towards Acro's case. But that's as accurate a guess as I could possibly offer.
Was there a point to this question?

(and what do you think of slick's coverage of it))

I don't know what you mean by 'coverage' here.
I have no particular issue with Slick thus far.

if i had two vig shots rn
id use them on fink and slick

Why are your top scumreads my top townreads? One of us is being screwy here.

Vote: Shaddoweh

I dunno, lurker lynch still. I can't get a feel for this guy, I want him gone prior to lylo.

[droog]

thor

coverage has the usual meaning:
do you think slick is presenting the past correctly
((i presume yes))

my point was to suss out your dys read
and please give me your shaddowez one
my reads are not yet hard

[droog]

i find it kind of perverse
that you're voting on not wanting someone in lylo

i would like to lynch so next phase isnt lylo

[Thor665]

thor

coverage has the usual meaning:
do you think slick is presenting the past correctly
((i presume yes))

Other than not reading my answers already I have no issue with the version of the past he offered. He basically didn't even offer one, so, sure, yeah, I'm fine with it.
Why, was there something I should have had issue with?

my point was to suss out your dys read
and please give me your shaddowez one
my reads are not yet hard

I have been stating for some time now that Dys is/was a town read. Nothing has changed on that score. If it does I'll let you know.
I am voting Shaddoweh - are my thoughts there unclear somehow?

i find it kind of perverse
that you're voting on not wanting someone in lylo

i would like to lynch so next phase isnt lylo

This is such an empty comment and doesn't even come close to addressing my actual and legit issue with that slot.
Are you trying to not address it - or do you not understand it?

[droog]

this doesnt have to be difficul

when i ask for a shaddowez read
and you express that i dont understand your issue with shaddowez
explain it

[Thor665]

lurker lynch still. I can't get a feel for this guy, I want him gone prior to lylo

This doesn't have to be difficult.
I explained my read.
What don't you understand?

[Thor665]

Like, do you have a read on him? We could discuss that miracle if it's true.

[droog]

i find it kind of perverse
that you're voting on not wanting someone in lylo

[droog]

Like, do you have a read on him? We could discuss that miracle if it's true.

did you not just say you had no read on him

[droog]

before you relied on acryon and dys's cases being 'scum style'
now you concede dys is a townread

[Thor665]

i find it kind of perverse
that you're voting on not wanting someone in lylo

Why?
Again - do you have any read on him at all?
If yes - explain it.
If no - why are you okay with the idea of him being in potential lylo?

Like, do you have a read on him? We could discuss that miracle if it's true.

did you not just say you had no read on him

I did say that.
What of it?

before you relied on acryon and dys's cases being 'scum style'
now you concede dys is a townread

I never said that about Dys, I said that about Acro.
I have been calling Dys a town read for a quite long time - I am kind of confused that this is coming as a shock to you because I have hardly been shy about that. Hell, I literally discussed it a few times last phase. Why the heck didn't you act confused then?

[droog]

Acryons' case on me was that I need to 100% at all times vote my top scumread...also, even though I never said that Blair was my top scumread and said stuff to suggest the oppositie - Blair *was* my top scumread and therefore I am scum for not voting her.

I called the case laughable. So did others (including Dys, as long as we're confusing honesty/accuracy) ad Acro basically got lynched *because* of that case. That is why I consider it wrong. It was illogical, incorrect (provably so), and was actually very bad play for town because it was a scum style case.

Do you like that case?

Dys' case on me, to the best of my ability to describe it, was; "Feels" and she didn't like my interaction with Cheetory and she was bothered that I attacked everyone who attacked me.

I can't address feels, I disagreed with her about Cheetory but I think a lot of that depends on whether you think I expected that derp hammer or not, and it is provably incorrect that I attacked everyone who scum read me because she was my strongest town read for quite a while while also being about the only person pushing a case on me. I do not think any of that qualifies as a valid case.

Do you like that case?

acryon ended up town
do you think dys' 'feels' case came from a same spot?

My prediction would by no because Dys expressed disagreement and scummy vibes towards Acro's case. But that's as accurate a guess as I could possibly offer.

you said both acryon's and dys' cases on you were terrible
i point out that acryon is town
ask if dys is similar
you say no

[droog]

Why?
Again - do you have any read on him at all?
If yes - explain it.
If no - why are you okay with the idea of him being in potential lylo?

i have no special read on shaddowez
i am asking you for yours

your shaddowez case is that he is a lurker
and you dont want him in lylo

i want to know if you think he's scum or not
because as ive already explained
id rather not be in lylo tomorrow