Mini 1618: Profia (Game Over)

[dragonspawn]

Aronis was the town role blocker????? The lying fool was town. We might have been able to get some scum by now if he had just been honest to begin with and tried to help.

on the plus side only one kill last night. Makes it more likely to have been a one shot vigilante then a sk

[LynxKuroneko]

I'm itching to have evil lynched. Mostly gut. Will read through and post better soon. Still dont trust bruin, either.

[Madonna]

That was a scummy quicklynch as far as I am concerned. We were not pressed for time, were we? Feel free to correct me if we were.

Since I can only trust the dead, this puts all these other fine folk up for inspection: Belisarius, LynxKuroneko, evilpacman18, dragonspawn, and acryon. Clearly Beck was not up to anything scummy, so it should be safe to suspect we got one scum in five, and that is a twenty-percent success rate from the outside. From the inside, you are looking at a twenty-five percent success rate. Look to your peers and to your reads.

We had two arguable naysayers yesterday in regards to an Aronis lynch, bruin and myself. In a world where all of the voters chose Aronis, why did these two end up not voting despite showing up on Day 2? My own excuse is I intended to re-read people and get a better feel for them, and then the Day ended before I even got home. bruin? Well, I would rather hear from him.

Toshibite missed the entire Day. In a way, not too surprising, considering how fast acryon dropped the hammer on it, but he also failed to contribute anything other than a prod dodge.

Who was Huntress's Neighbor; I do not think we ever cleared that up. Maybe one of our dead ones was Neighbors with multiple people, and that is why we have no claim. What about you living Neighbors? Are you guys talking, or did someone clam up?

Debating where I got to vote today.

[bruin228]

I don't understand why he lied about his role.

I didn't vote because I wasn't convinced he was scum. I wasn't convinced he wasn't (his attitude didn't help) but I was fearful that what was happening was what I talked about Day 1:

Need to read over again before I decide who to vote for. Indigo's not a bad bet, but there may be someone else that catches my eye. Obviously, adronis is not an option today and that has nothing to do with fully believing his claim. It's not worth the risk of lynching the JK on Day 1.

However, I don't agree that it's an easy claim to disprove. If he's mafia, can easily claim to have jailed people who he doesn't kill and if he's town, the mafia can keep him alive to goad us into lynching him.

[bruin228]

As for who we should pursue today, those 5 are decent. I'd remove Lynx and Belisarius for now though. Lynx claimed Neighborizer and Belisarius backed that up. If they were both scum, that'd be suicide. I'd also take Belisarius off the list for now for getting town to go after lurkers and at least doing something.

Top 3 for me would be evil, acryon, and Toshibite.

[Belisarius]

VOTE: Toshibite

The way his activity started high and petered out is literally textbook scum.

I think it was Albert B. Rampage's textbook, but that's still a textbook.

Who was Huntress's Neighbor

Who is not in this game, but the game he's modding is next up in the micro queue. *serious face*

[LynxKuroneko]

Obvious lol...

I can't say anyone will be able to defend Toshibite. Him, evilpac and Madonna make a nice scumteam.

[Madonna]

@bruin: The question was "Why did you not vote?", not "Why did you not vote Aronis?".

@Belisarius: Glad to see you back attacking inactives. Aronis was too pressing yesterday to keep to that mantra you had? No suggestions as to who was the scum in your votegroup?

@Lynx: Not liking you either, so eh. Glad to see you fingering people outside of your votegroup instead of what I was asking.

[bruin228]

I spent most of the time deciding whether or not Aronis was worth voting

[Madonna]

You had an entire Night previous to Day 2 to consider this issue, and you were waffling on the WIFOM (465) a page or two before the end of Day 1. That is a lot of time to consider Aronis and no one else.

[LynxKuroneko]

What, Madonna?

[Madonna]

@Lynx: To be more clear (and demanding)

Since I can only trust the dead, this puts all these other fine folk up for inspection: Belisarius, LynxKuroneko, evilpacman18, dragonspawn, and acryon. Clearly Beck was not up to anything scummy, so it should be safe to suspect we got one scum in five, and that is a twenty-percent success rate from the outside. From the inside, you are looking at a twenty-five percent success rate. Look to your peers and to your reads.

Do you think the idea that at least one scum is in this group holds water? If so, who would you suspect and why?

[dragonspawn]

Question: beck said he investigated evil and found that he did not have a gun on him. Does that Mean he isn't scum or just not the one who who did the kill say one?

[dragonspawn]

Day one rather

[Belisarius]

Glad to see you back attacking inactives. Aronis was too pressing yesterday to keep to that mantra you had

This is bollocks and you know it. You scum, Director Lebwohl?

-I'm not attacking inactivity, I'm attacking a pattern of activity variation that is literally textbook scum

-

Yes

, Aronis most certainly

was

too pressing yesterday to keep any sort of mantra at all. He appeared to be

confirmed scum

due to his decision to lie. This is why you don't ever ever ever EVER lie as town. Ever. By the way, did I say ever?

[bruin228]

You had an entire Night previous to Day 2 to consider this issue, and you were waffling on the WIFOM (465) a page or two before the end of Day 1. That is a lot of time to consider Aronis and no one else.

Stop being obtuse. Aronis was clearly the big wagon and I spent the majority of the time either telling people to unvote so we could have more discussion or trying to have a conversation with Aronis that he clearly didn't want to have.

Who did you vote for Day 2? Oh, no one? Pipe down then.

[bruin228]

Question: beck said he investigated evil and found that he did not have a gun on him. Does that Mean he isn't scum or just not the one who who did the kill say one?

Not sure. I could see either one.

[bruin228]

Question: beck said he investigated evil and found that he did not have a gun on him. Does that Mean he isn't scum or just not the one who who did the kill say one?

Not sure. I could see either one.

According to the wiki, members of the Mafia that aren't Doctors have guns. So either evilpacman is not scum or he's scum Doc.

[Madonna]

Question: beck said he investigated evil and found that he did not have a gun on him. Does that Mean he isn't scum or just not the one who who did the kill say one?

This is the thing I was not keen on pointing out to others. Beck cleared pacman of being scum. You can read the entry on Gunsmith for further clarity.

So, honestly, the real group size I was looking at was four. Belisarius, Lynx, dragonspawn, and acryon. If you are intrepid, you could take Lynx out of the mix and be left looking at Belisarius, dragonspawn, and acryon. Three.

[Madonna]

People looking at pacman as a lynch candidate either are scum or need to reassess their lives. This means Lynx's gut needs to reassess its life, as does bruin.

[bruin228]

I just pointed out the exact same thing you did but okay

[Madonna]

You had an entire Night previous to Day 2 to consider this issue, and you were waffling on the WIFOM (465) a page or two before the end of Day 1. That is a lot of time to consider Aronis and no one else.

Stop being obtuse. Aronis was clearly the big wagon and I spent the majority of the time either telling people to unvote so we could have more discussion or trying to have a conversation with Aronis that he clearly didn't want to have.

While I can happily accept you not voting for Aronis so the town did not hastily rush off to the gallows, I still must point out you did little of merit on Day 2, and if Aronis was not your choice, you could still vote for someone else. It would at least tell others you are a) willing to vote, and b) willing to leave a trail for reads. Otherwise, you essentially white-knighted Day 2, and that is scummy.

Who did you vote for Day 2? Oh, no one? Pipe down then.

Sorry, I could not hear you over acryon's quickhammer.

Pedit: bruin, yes, but you included pacman in your 654, so it is worth mentioning.

[bruin228]

You had an entire Night previous to Day 2 to consider this issue, and you were waffling on the WIFOM (465) a page or two before the end of Day 1. That is a lot of time to consider Aronis and no one else.

Stop being obtuse. Aronis was clearly the big wagon and I spent the majority of the time either telling people to unvote so we could have more discussion or trying to have a conversation with Aronis that he clearly didn't want to have.

While I can happily accept you not voting for Aronis so the town did not hastily rush off to the gallows, I still must point out

you did little of merit on Day 2,

and if Aronis was not your choice, you could still vote for someone else. It would at least tell others you are a) willing to vote, and b) willing to leave a trail for reads. Otherwise, you essentially white-knighted Day 2, and that is scummy.

Who did you vote for Day 2? Oh, no one? Pipe down then.

Sorry, I could not hear you over acryon's quickhammer.

Pedit: bruin, yes, but you included pacman in your 654, so it is worth mentioning.

That's rich coming from you.

[Madonna]

@Belisarius, 664: What, merely carrying out my duties as I must; no scum here, sir.

- The Day has barely started and there is plenty of time for talk, barring another fiasco like yesterday. The only defense I will muster for Toshibite is that it is possible to talk today, and I can understand a Day being cut short as reason he did not talk yesterday. I mean, we had five-ish pages on Day 2, compared to Day 1's twenty-one-ish. However, your explanation is also plausible.

- The lie surfaced after I voted, you voted, and Lynx voted. So before that, Toshibite and, arguably, pacman were fair game. I know you well enough to know you also might try to avoid lying as scum; 537 would be a perfect example of that were you scum. I know it can be read as town (and was), but it equally applies as scum.

[Madonna]

@bruin, 672: This is going to come off as troll, but...you do not need to quote an entire post if you are going to bring up one small bit in there and retort with something resoundingly short and useless. At this juncture, we are only being toxic; I suggest we not continue sniping at each other pettily and tunnel instead if we must.