Open 577: Hope Plus One! (GAME OVER - SCUM WIN)

[Idiotking]

Calm

town has no reason to do it.

Good

town doesn't do it. Newb/bad can, though. Imploding is what happens when someone who cannot handle pressure (regardless of alignment) is put under pressure. In my experience it can manifest either as tunneling (like acryon is doing) or ragequitting (as Constantine did).

For texcat waiting on replacements, I don't see the replacements coming soon. Not to mention, that's a really, really easy excuse to actively lurk. There's enough in this thread to do

something

, at least. I do not believe that in 16 pages texcat only has enough info to create one single (hedged) read.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

I should elaborate on the first point; although GGG did read a lot of people as 'null' or 'gut town/scum', Acryon's attack on GGG was solely based on C+A and the fact that because he had more posts, he shouldn't be read as null or be read as gut town/scum.

[Idiotking]

18 (now 19) pages, rather.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Calm town has no reason to do it. Good town doesn't do it. Newb/bad can, though. Imploding is what happens when someone who cannot handle pressure (regardless of alignment) is put under pressure. In my experience it can manifest either as tunneling (like acryon is doing) or ragequitting (as Constantine did).

Acryon's not a newbie nor does he strike me as an easily frustrated person.

[Mathdino]

acryon is not newb nor is he bad, and he can certainly handle pressure. He's also not a tunneler to the point where he fits the evidence to the reads. Can't say more for usual reasons.

On texcat, meh, fair enough. I don't think it's alignment indicative (as with most lurking) but she does need to start contributing.

Edit: FFS Rudy stop saying exactly what I'm going to say.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Why did you press submit if it's repeating exactly what I said?

[Mathdino]

I don't delete posts. Posting helps me stay on top of things and if I delete things I'm liable to forget that I didn't say something.

Also I'd like to think that my input drives the point further since I know and have meta'd acryon.

[copper223]

acryon is not newb nor is he bad, and he can certainly handle pressure. He's also not a tunneler to the point where he fits the evidence to the reads. Can't say more for usual reasons.

I'm reviewing Acryon's meta, if this is true I will also vote.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

It is true, copper. I have metad Acryon too. Don't stall, vote.

[Idiotking]

@Math: Then I'll have to take your word for it until I can read acryon's meta (not something I do, usually). All I know is that he has stated that the bulk of his experience is in offline mafia, which is a completely different beast from online mafia. From that I assumed that he was comparatively inexperienced in online mafia (also considering his relatively few completed games on this site).

Nevertheless, my main interest is in texcat at the moment. Lurking isn't scummy if it's just lazy/too busy to play much, but if it's active lurking it's intentionally not contributing. Even when texcat is talking in thread it's not contributing. That's going entirely too far.

Unvote

whoever it might have been on, and

Vote: texcat

Texcat, readlist please.

[copper223]

It is true, copper. I have metad Acryon too. Don't stall, vote.

[Aneninen]

This. Texcat's ISO reeks of active lurking. Not one substantial scumread has been placed throughout the entire day (pot, kettle, I know). Literally the only read texcat has expressed AT ALL is that C+A is town (in 181 and 396) but even that is "but..."ed.

Hmmmm... I must have skimmed that over.

(post has been edited by me)

like someone desperate to find something to call scummy

.

Town have no reason to do the bolded.

Hmmmmmmmm...!

He's not defending his incredibly weak case, but rather

awknowledging

the case is weak.

That's right again...

And he's not a newbie indeed. (I've also checked it.)

UNVOTE: – because I don't think it's happening today.
VOTE: Acryon
Baaaa, baaaaaa! ^_^

[texcat]

We are missing 4 of 13 players? NRG, Gravity, Cultivation, & Blindme. Are we waiting for that many replacements?

I've only been halfheartedly lurking. It's hard to get very interested in a game where a third of the players are AWOL.

VOTE: GGG my WAG for scum

[Idiotking]

Thanks for subbing in, Idiotking and GGG!

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On preview:
GGG, I probably would have voted Constantine, but I did not want to suffer his attack like Rudy did. He might have appeared to be scum hunting to you, but his vote never followed his reads. And most of his reads looked like OMGUS to me.

VOTE: GGG my WAG for scum

This is the sum total of your interactions with/mentions of GGG throughout the entire thread. Why is GGG your top pick?

[GGG]

What reason does scum Acry have for picking C/A? Seems odd not to blend in and pick off easy lynches. I think he's town. I am willing to move to ensure a lynch at the deadline given that we need 7 of 9 active players to form a lynch. Also if he was scum why wouldn't he have backed out instead of doubling down on it defending it.

[GGG]

We currently sitting at

NRG
CT
BMWS
Gravity

Who have been inactive for a while. Is it likely we will get replacements for all four? What happens? Scum isn't going to waste any kills on that group so by day 3 we have 9 left with 4 inactives meaning we'd need unanimous lynches. So do people sub in past day 1. Does the mod step in and mod kill them or do we have to deal with them. These guys aren't lurkers they are just inactive.

If we have to deal with them I would suggest lynching NRG today. He is the scummiest of the inactives with his antigravity meta reads in 191.

[Cane + Able]

Targeting lurkers, that's totally town.

There is a system in place for dealing with inactive players and I'm sure you are aware of this.

[GGG]

Targeting lurkers, that's totally town.

There is a system in place for dealing with inactive players and I'm sure you are aware of this.

These guys aren't lurkers. I am anti targeting lurkers day 1. Texcat is a lurker these are inactives. My question is will we actually find replacements? If we hit the deadline without the replacements do we have to lynch or does the game pause.

In past games on this site do these spots fill eventually?

[Cane + Able]

Targeting lurkers, that's totally town.

There is a system in place for dealing with inactive players and I'm sure you are aware of this.

These guys aren't lurkers. I am anti targeting lurkers day 1. Texcat is a lurker these are inactives. My question is will we actually find replacements? If we hit the deadline without the replacements do we have to lynch or does the game pause.

In past games on this site do these spots fill eventually?

You should be addressing these questions to the mods.

Lynching inactive/lurkers is bad play.

[Cane + Able]

Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.



(Basically my body's getting acclimated to the physical rigors of the hospital-CNA work routine.)

I'll look into what I can. If you can relegate yours truly any pertinent information that'd be wonderful. Make my day.

- Wake

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Hey Wake!

A lot of players, including myself, strongly suspect Acryon for his weak push on your slot. My case is a fairly good summary of the Acryon situation, if I do say so myself. That's mostly it for the major happenings in this thread.

[Cane + Able]

Hey Wake!

A lot of players, including myself, strongly suspect Acryon for his weak push on your slot. My case is a fairly good summary of the Acryon situation, if I do say so myself. That's mostly it for the major happenings in this thread.

Well, that spoonfed whoreson shouldn't be pushing me regardless.

(Disclaimer: Just joking. Don't take it seriously, Acryon. )

Like homemade gravy, I like things boiled down. Can you simplify your case to its base elements, please? I'm friggin' tired, man, and my brain is only accepting nutritious, precious little nidbits of pertinent information. You'd be doing wonders for my health and, by extension, society as a whole. It's good to keep health care professionals happy. Your grandparents will thank you.

[Cane + Able]

- Wake

Yeah, I did that.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

No problem! Here is what the case says, in bitesize chunks:

-Acryon does awkward vote on you with little to no reasoning
-Acryon admits his own case is crap, justifies his vote on you with some rubbish about 'confident votes are better', blatantly ignores criticism about his case
-Later gets defensive, switching from -- to a degree -- admitting his case was bad to a more passive 'It's not the worst case out there' stance.

[Cane + Able]

No problem! Here is what the case says, in bitesize chunks:

-Acryon does awkward vote on you with little to no reasoning
-Acryon admits his own case is crap, justifies his vote on you with some rubbish about 'confident votes are better', blatantly ignores criticism about his case
-Later gets defensive, switching from -- to a degree -- admitting his case was bad to a more passive 'It's not the worst case out there' stance.

So the guy votes me with little to no reasoning, acknowledges it's crap, makes a weird justification, decides to ignore some undoubtedly well-placed criticism, then gets defensive, warbles a bit and then struts out of the yard. Kay.

Fine. Light him up.

By the way, what was his reasoning, if applicable?

- Wake