League of Legends (Old)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCR-tMpKtt8#t=120

Here you are.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm starting to question the value of maxing frostshot on Ashe second, before I was leaving Hawkshot as a 1 point wonder but more and more I'm being underwhelmed by frostshots effect given the sheer amount of mobility in currently played champs. Hawkshot on the other hand is really starting to grow on me when leveled up for how often it's up.

[Ankamius]

I can see that having a cap enforced eventually.

[zoraster]

yeah, just tested on the river crab, he took what appeared to be infinite spears. Description should be rewritten

[zoraster]

The Q hop over walls thing is something I didn't realize I could do, but makes sense.

[lil g]

The new elixir that gives 25% to size may have caused me to become a zac main.
Maybe I did just build warmogs randuins and 3 sunfires.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I just went 5/0/2 in lane as alistar support. These people didn't respect the alistar ult damage.

I wish lolreplay would fix their shit for 4.20

[Oman]

I use baronreplay and haven't had problems

[pickemgenius]

I'm starting to question the value of maxing frostshot on Ashe second, before I was leaving Hawkshot as a 1 point wonder but more and more I'm being underwhelmed by frostshots effect given the sheer amount of mobility in currently played champs. Hawkshot on the other hand is really starting to grow on me when leveled up for how often it's up.

I would always max E second man. You should do it. Shits boss.

Also smiting champions in new jungle is the most fun I've had playing this game in quite a while, and if I were starting out this game I'd probably main jungle.

[RayFrost]

So guys, new yi with challenge smite feels pretty satisfying.

HELLO TAKE THIS 180 TRUE DAMAGE PER AUTO AT 2.5 ATTACK SPEED

[Oman]

What do you guys max second on Ahri? I've been maxxing w cause damage but...?

[Bins]

Max W second if you maxed Q.

Only max W first if you're against melee champs like Katarina.

[Oman]

It's rare I max W first. That's a good thought though, against skillshot dodgers.

[Ankamius]

I mostly did R>Q>E>W back in the day when I was serious in learning her, but I have no idea how it would have changed since then since I never really played her that much recently.

[Voidedmafia]

I think their advice is sound as far as skill maxing goes.

[hiplop]

The new elixir that gives 25% to size may have caused me to become a zac main.
Maybe I did just build warmogs randuins and 3 sunfires.

cho gath max stacks at 16 + size elixir is beautiful

[BROseidon]

Ahri w first used to be standard when her w+ult could 1-shot squishies.

Now it's q>w>e

[quadz08]

I am strimmin' some league! COME WATCH WOO

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[zoraster]

with the new patch just looking at Nov 21st, unsurprisingly WW has the highest Win Rate of 60%. Something clearly has to give.

But more surprisingly is Ashe now has one of the highest win rates at 55%. Why is this? What changed for her?

Kalista also unsurprisingly has an even lower win rate than Elise at 39%

[quadz08]

I think it has a lot to with Kalista having a very high skill floor, and because her ult can totally throw off another player's rhythm when they aren't communicating with one another (which solo queue teammates just really can't do effectively enough in teamfights). Doesn't correlate to good low-elo / solo queue winrates, I'd think.

[mykonian]

about ashe: The one thing I can think of is the reduction of lv2 spikes. Other champs have them, she never really did.

[quadz08]

^ that sounds like a solid point to my relatively un-knowledgeable ear.

[zoraster]

I agree to an extent, and I've had fun playing both with and as Kalista. But I think she is still underpowered. At the challenger level, where presumably people would more readily figure her mechanics out (both as teammate and as kalista), she has an even lower win rate of 28%, at Diamond 35%.

I think she's a really cool champion. And it's not like win rates have kept all bad champions from being played (Yasuo is inexplicably banned in 8% of games and played in 11% despite having one of the lowest win % in the game), but I think this is more in keeping with Riot's stated policy of erring on the side of making champions under rather than over powered on release.

[quadz08]

I'm surprised that she's underpowered, to be honest. I think this is similar to Syndra's release - people just haven't figured her out yet.

[zoraster]

One issue is that her oath stuff gives incentives to different behaviors that don't really work together. Her W has some pretty big damage in lane even with only one rank in it, but that works best with poke heavy champions like Sona, Soraka, Morgana, etc.

But her R, which lets her initiate, works best with a tanky support. You don't really want to throw Sona at a group of enemies (though I guess I could imagine Fate's Call, knockup, Morgana Ult, Zhonyas combo working well)

Part of me thinks she could be a better, more interesting champion if she could rebind her blood oath every 15 minutes or so. That'd let you bind with your top or jungler after laning, but still let you pick a squishy poke support to take advantage of her W in lane.