Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[borkjerfkin]

lessons learned:

1) fuck NKA
2) be better at reading mathdino

[Mathdino]

NKA would've pointed toward acryon though...

BMWS had the ultimate easy win by killing you and letting me and acryon fight it out.
acryon on the other hand, would probably die if I overpowered him in endgame and swayed BMWS to my side.

Killing me or BMWS was the right move.

[acryon]

Honestly I thought I had no chance after Wisdom got lynched. I knew I just had to do some crazy NKs to throw things off, because there was no way to win this game standard, especially with people like bork and Mathdino in the game.

[Mathdino]

You have no idea how hard I facepalmed after you and bork started tunneling me.

[borkjerfkin]

I am being kept alive because my reads are (were?) wrong.

Also this game has set a new precedent for people doing stupid shit

So thanks for that.

Is what I meant.

This actually turned out not to be true.

[Mathdino]

At the end of the day the thing with the "If I were scum" argument came from utter disappointment in bork and acryon for latching onto me out of PoE and not even being able to recognise it. I was more than a bit surprised at bork rereading and ending up going with me as a result of having been wrong, and jumping on wgeurts for what I still think are legitimate reasons given what happened in Stack The Deck.

My ability to be townread wavers a lot when I talk about myself because my thought process is in itself kinda scummy IMO. Should probably have mostly ignored bork's accusations altogether like he asked.

[Mathdino]

Anyone got any advice? This is my first game since over a year ago.

[borkjerfkin]

You played really well and I went down a rabbit hole that I shouldn't have gone down.

I think if you hadn't busted out stack the deck I may have righted myself. I don't know.

[borkjerfkin]

This was Schrödinger's LyLo anyway. I don't win LyLos. If I'd have picked acryon he'd have been town.

[acryon]

This was my first online game as scum, and it couldn't have been more stressful. Hopefully in the future my team doesn't get lynched D1 and D2

[Mathdino]

I don't feel I was collapsing back there. Everything I said was 100% honest. The problem was I treated bork's attack as an attack on my logic, rather than as an attack on my alignment, so I immediately started defending said logic as not terrible.

Yeah, trying to use Stack The Deck was the crux of the issue that caused BMWS to sway toward me I think. I tunneled myself as town so hard that I was defending my logic and forgot to defend my alignment.

[borkjerfkin]

so is the dead thread just people yelling at me?

I'm used to that

[Mathdino]

The dead thread is mostly everyone that I lynched immediately deciding I was scum xD
It's kind of hilarious to read through. I feel like it's a sort of posthumous OMGUS.

I was the only one yelling at you in the dead thread.

[borkjerfkin]

I was the only one yelling at you in the dead thread.

I'm ok with that. You were like objectively obvtown for 95% of the game I'm just a dummy.

Wgeurts was really obviously not mason fishing tho.

[borkjerfkin]

you know what else this means though?

[borkjerfkin]

I hope this is an example to follow my wagons in the future. As policy, you should only start wagons on people off the wagon, the day immediately after lynching scum.
Acyron and Mathdino, one of which is confirmed scum, should be our first and foremost priorities.
VOTE: Acyon

ahhhhhhhhhhh

[Mathdino]

If Wisdom and MathDino aren't masons, I will just be dumbfounded because there's no other logical explanation that accounts for their interactions this game, especially on MathDino's end. That is, unless one, likely MathDino, or both of them are scum.

You wanna know what's really shitty.

Besides gut, VDA's meta research analysis and Wisdom being off the lynch and being abouestly hard-headed against it I wanna get him lynched.

I don't really see why MathDino is wanting is to get lynched one after another. It's lining up lynches if both Wisdom and I are town and I hate that. (

even then I'd still win over Wisdom

)

The bolding is mine. Mala's been saying things like this for a good portion of the game, which would only make sense if she knew for

absolute certain

she wouldn't be lynched (i.e. she has a role that can be confirmed). Combined with the fact that a good portion of people seem to not be scumreading her and/or ignoring her, I

originally

thought she was a mason. Not_Mafia seems like a likely partner if this is true. I'm not sure who makes sense as a third, though: possibly blindmewithscience.

If this theory is true, I'm baffled by MathDino's behavior this game. If he doesn't know Wisdom's alignment for certain, how can he be hanging on Wisdom's every word like this? The only reasonable answer I can come up with is that MathDino is scum.

If it's not Constantine, it's mathdino

So mathdino was scum? No shit.

At least it saved us two days, lol. It is probably to the benefit of town that this happened, because I and Wguert's would of probably been mislynched anyways. My only concern is that I planned to enter day four pressuring Mathdino harder than before. That's up to Bork now. This game is a prime example of why scum should mason hunt, and why masons should not fear claiming early into day one. It has pretty much backed scum into a corner, like I said it would.

[acryon]

I hope this is an example to follow my wagons in the future. As policy, you should only start wagons on people off the wagon, the day immediately after lynching scum.
Acyron and Mathdino, one of which is confirmed scum, should be our first and foremost priorities.
VOTE: Acyon

ahhhhhhhhhhh

Haha. Although he was actually right in that case, it is

far from

a good policy, and most of the games I have been in have had scum on every scum wagon.

[Mathdino]

I hope this is an example to follow my wagons in the future. As policy, you should only start wagons on people off the wagon, the day immediately after lynching scum.
Acyron and Mathdino, one of which is confirmed scum, should be our first and foremost priorities.
VOTE: Acyon

ahhhhhhhhhhh

oh goddamn

[acryon]

I still stand by that.

[acryon]

I would have fought him on that as town 100%.

[borkjerfkin]

I'd agree he was right for the wrong reasons.

[Mathdino]

The best part of this is
the tells that we made for BMWS and Newbie were totally right.

All it takes is ONE

impenetrable

slip for someone's alignment to be obvious. One slip and everything else can be discounted.
And we shat on those.

Had we just gone with the mason team + BMWS + Newbie as conftown and lynched me and acryon we'd have won.
The NKs really were what threw me off. Leaving bork alive was a ballsy and a damn good move.

[borkjerfkin]

woo I'm already over this game.

All my slamdunk townslips were correct and I threw them away one by one

p-edit: lol was just saying that too

[borkjerfkin]

I'll at least interrogate wisdom tomorrow

anyway here's what I have

Town (S -> W): bmws, tth, wgeurts, mathdino, constantine
Null: acryon, newbie
Scum (S -> W): riddleton, wisdom (super weak)

I'll throw you guys in somewhere if I'm forced to give reads to the thread

Let me know if either of you strongly disagree with any of these

Was my "I just read the game" post in the mason pt