Open 577: Hope Plus One! (GAME OVER - SCUM WIN)

[Aneninen]

(1) Yes I stated that but I corrected myself in the post linked above.
(2) You must have meant that sentence about Copper in 343. I regularly make notes like that so as to remember that later. That will be relevant

only if

you flip scum. If not, it's a null.

[copper223]

@mod. Do we have a deadline in 24hrs or are we pausing until replacements are found?

Pretty much this is what we need to know

[GGG]

VOTE: NRG

Just in case we have a deadline today voting an inactive at least moves the game along and reduces the number of replacements. Would suggest scum in the interests of moving the game along kill one of the inactive townies. Then tmw we can only need two replacements and we keep going.

[acryon]

VOTE: NRG

Just in case we have a deadline today voting an inactive at least moves the game along and reduces the number of replacements. Would suggest scum in the interests of moving the game along kill one of the inactive townies. Then tmw we can only need two replacements and we keep going.

Something tells me scum aren't interesting in helping out the town by killing an inactive.

[Cane + Able]

VOTE: NRG

Just in case we have a deadline today voting an inactive at least moves the game along and reduces the number of replacements. Would suggest scum in the interests of moving the game along kill one of the inactive townies. Then tmw we can only need two replacements and we keep going.

That post doesn't surprise me considering Math, acryon, and texcat are all discussing voting for you.

Instead of trying to address their concerns, you are trying to draw attention to the inactive players.

VOTE: GGG

[theelkspeaks]

Vote Count 1.9
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Gravity(1)

- notreallygood

notreallygood(1)

- GGG

GGG(2)

- Cain + Able, texcat

Cain + Able(1)

- acryon

Acryon(1)

- Rudolph the Reindeer

Rudolph the Reindeer (1)

- Mathdino

Texcat (1)

- Idiotking


Searching for 2 replacements. :/
Gravity and CultivationTheory prodded, will be added to replacement list if they do not reply.
Deadline extended, current deadline will be clarified when replacements situation crystallizes.

[acryon]

Since it's actually possible that literally the entire scum-team is replaced-out/inactive, this seems like a good opportunity for everyone to do some town-hunting until the town stabilizes.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Sigh. I hate compromise wagons, but I'll join this one.

Vote: GGG

[Cane + Able]

VOTE: NRG

Just in case we have a deadline today voting an inactive at least moves the game along and reduces the number of replacements. Would suggest scum in the interests of moving the game along kill one of the inactive townies. Then tmw we can only need two replacements and we keep going.

Something tells me scum aren't interesting in helping out the town by killing an inactive.

Killing inactive town doesn't help town, either. They are an easy target for scum-powered mislynches.

[acryon]

Sigh. I hate compromise wagons, but I'll join this one.

Vote: GGG

You seemed pretty dead-set on one/both of Mathdino/Notreallygood as scum before the tunnel on me. Why would you not return to that after my claim and instead jump on a lurker? Have your reads on either of them changed dramatically since then. If so, how and why?

[acryon]

Actually, I think it may be a good exercise to get the town moving again to remind people where they stood before jumping on my wagon:
Anen -GGG
Math - GGG
Copper - BMWS
GGG - Anen
C+A - Mathdino

But I specifically want to hear from Rudy

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Sigh. I hate compromise wagons, but I'll join this one.

Vote: GGG

You seemed pretty dead-set on one/both of Mathdino/Notreallygood as scum before the tunnel on me. Why would you not return to that after my claim and instead jump on a lurker? Have your reads on either of them changed dramatically since then. If so, how and why?

Current Scumsuspects are GGG + you + NRG/MathDino. You should be able to infer that from my ISO.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Obviously, I would rather be on you but since no one else seems to be interested before the deadline, I have to compromise somewhat. I can get behind a GGG lynch today; I wouldn't be too opposed to that.

[acryon]

Sigh. I hate compromise wagons, but I'll join this one.

Vote: GGG

You seemed pretty dead-set on one/both of Mathdino/Notreallygood as scum before the tunnel on me. Why would you not return to that after my claim and instead jump on a lurker? Have your reads on either of them changed dramatically since then. If so, how and why?

Current Scumsuspects are GGG + you + NRG/MathDino. You should be able to infer that from my ISO.

Actually, I searched for what you said on GGG, and you never seemed to imply any suspicion of him. Not only that, but you went so far as to defend GGG's post from my accusations:
"Acryon first starts off with a lean-scum read on GGG because he wrote off someone's play as 'mostly gut', which is a perfectly natural thing to do D1. I don't see any harm in writing a player's posts as 'gut town/scum' in this stage of the game."

So I fail to see where, at any point, you were suspecting GGG. Your ISO would certainly point to me as the #1 lynch, then MD/NRG as the second lynch. GGG doesn't naturally enter that list until those three are worked out.

[GGG]

VOTE: NRG

Just in case we have a deadline today voting an inactive at least moves the game along and reduces the number of replacements. Would suggest scum in the interests of moving the game along kill one of the inactive townies. Then tmw we can only need two replacements and we keep going.

That post doesn't surprise me considering Math, acryon, and texcat are all discussing voting for you.

Instead of trying to address their concerns, you are trying to draw attention to the inactive players.

VOTE: GGG

I've addressed texcats concerns, Math hasn't made a case recently, Acry prefers Rudy over me. I dont see any outstanding accusations that need responding to in any of those people.

The entire case on me boils down to a shitty 1st post.

[GGG]

Vote Count 1.9
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Gravity(1)

- notreallygood

notreallygood(1)

- GGG

GGG(2)

- Cain + Able, texcat

Cain + Able(1)

- acryon

Acryon(1)

- Rudolph the Reindeer

Rudolph the Reindeer (1)

- Mathdino

Texcat (1)

- Idiotking


Searching for 2 replacements. :/
Gravity and CultivationTheory prodded, will be added to replacement list if they do not reply.
Deadline extended, current deadline will be clarified when replacements situation crystallizes.

thanks,

unvote

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Sigh. I hate compromise wagons, but I'll join this one.

Vote: GGG

You seemed pretty dead-set on one/both of Mathdino/Notreallygood as scum before the tunnel on me. Why would you not return to that after my claim and instead jump on a lurker? Have your reads on either of them changed dramatically since then. If so, how and why?

Current Scumsuspects are GGG + you + NRG/MathDino. You should be able to infer that from my ISO.

Actually, I searched for what you said on GGG, and you never seemed to imply any suspicion of him. Not only that, but you went so far as to defend GGG's post from my accusations:
"Acryon first starts off with a lean-scum read on GGG because he wrote off someone's play as 'mostly gut', which is a perfectly natural thing to do D1. I don't see any harm in writing a player's posts as 'gut town/scum' in this stage of the game."

So I fail to see where, at any point, you were suspecting GGG. Your ISO would certainly point to me as the #1 lynch, then MD/NRG as the second lynch. GGG doesn't naturally enter that list until those three are worked out.

Nope, you misunderstand with the first point. GGG's first post is bad yes, and I agree with that. My problem is how you specifically point out GGG's read on C+A as opposed to everyone else when the discriminating factor is C+A's high amount of posts. Writing off someone's play as 'mostly gut' is fine to do D1, but doing this to

nearly every player

in the game isn't. I clarified upon this in a later post as I reaalised my wording was ambigious.

As for the second point, yes you are correct in that my preference is for you and NRG/MathDino before GGG. However, neither of the first two are viable wagons today. Therefore, I switch to my third most likely suspect, who does have a chance of getting lynched today. It isn't rocket science.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Obviously, I would rather be on you but since no one else seems to be interested before the deadline, I have to compromise somewhat. I can get behind a GGG lynch today; I wouldn't be too opposed to that.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Acryon is so obviously scum it's kind of disappointing to see everyone unvote because of a claim that isn't guaranteed.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

I'm not particurly fond of GGG either. He walks in with a reads post stating everyone is either null or scum for arbituary reasons. Why bother making a reads post if you're just going to say half the slots are just 'null, meh', or that someone is town or scum based on 'mostly gut'? Beyond that, I don't like his posts since: most posts afterwards have been defending his scumreads or nullreads.

Did Acryon intentionally leave this out in his "read" through my ISO?

[acryon]

I'm not particurly fond of GGG either. He walks in with a reads post stating everyone is either null or scum for arbituary reasons. Why bother making a reads post if you're just going to say half the slots are just 'null, meh', or that someone is town or scum based on 'mostly gut'? Beyond that, I don't like his posts since: most posts afterwards have been defending his scumreads or nullreads.

Did Acryon intentionally leave this out in his "read" through my ISO?

Regarding that situation, the GGG post from me regarding post count was only

after

GGG defended the read saying it was mostly gut, which seemed odd that there was nothing of note given how much content C+A has put out. It wasn't about his initial read; it was about the follow-up reasoning behind it.

I'll be honest; I didn't pay close attention to that post, because it was just regurgitating what Mathdino/Anen/Copper already said in one form or another, so I apologize for not referencing it, but I still don't buy the vote on him now. Nevermind the fact that having 4 people in your viable scum list at this point is a little ridiculous, you then vote for your #4 in that list. I can't be the only one nervous at the idea of a townie who is ok with lynching any one of FOUR people (only 1 of which is lurking) in a given day.

[acryon]

In-short: Do you have a reason other than that one post which was just re-stating what others said for suspecting GGG enough to lynch him?

[Cane + Able]

Yay for deadline extension.

UNVOTE:

[acryon]

Yay for deadline extension.

This is why the GGG vote from Rudy seems especially curious. We have time, so why would you fall to your 4th suspicion and compromise, especially while acting like you were forced into it.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Sure, it's a compromise. The deadline freeze only is so until replacements are found.