Open 577: Hope Plus One! (GAME OVER - SCUM WIN)

[acryon]

Lol, if he claimed scum will you say: because town is never dumb, and move on?

Of course not, but you're trying to say not reading the thread is alignment-indicative, and I disagree.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Just to confirm, you think that highly of copper's scumgame?

[copper223]

@Orcinus
Shocking.

@Acryon
Rudi should be unlynchable for you given your treatment of Orcinus, why is it not the case?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

There's definitely a certain amount of cogdis in my wagon being policy/not policy. Aside from that i'm still angry about being accused of insulting house when a) i didn't insult house b) i was literally giving lenience towards

house's insults

. but that last point is irrelevant whatever

[acryon]

@Acryon
Rudi should be unlynchable for you given your treatment of Orcinus, why is it not the case?

Why?

[Bookitty]

Of course not, but you're trying to say not reading the thread is alignment-indicative, and I disagree.

I kind of disagree with you here, Acryon. I think scum can sometimes screw up by failing to follow the thread closely enough or just sheeping someone without any real reasoning. Not reading the thread is REALLY alignment indicative for cases like that.

Dinging someone who just replaced into the game for not reading closely enough, though, isn't that productive. Not reading in that case is more indicative of work ethic than alignment imo.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@Orcinus
Shocking.

@Acryon
Rudi should be unlynchable for you given your treatment of Orcinus, why is it not the case?

what's shocking?

not to intercept this question but i don't understand what you're asking

[Bookitty]

Just to confirm, you think that highly of copper's scumgame?

I think that highly of copper's intelligence. Let us leave it at that, please.

[copper223]

@Acryon
Do you think that playing overall to your win-con is alignment indicative?

Regarding Rudi: You are taking the stance here that Orcinus is likely not mafia because he is to brazen about it, Rudi also was brazen asking us to lynch you despite your claim, why is one a probable town and the other a probable mafia, aside from OMGUS?

@Orcinus
Shocking you said you were scum, yo.

[acryon]

@Acryon
Do you think that playing overall to your win-con is alignment indicative?

Of course it is, but town do stupid things, and so do scum. Although it sometimes is, doing stupid things isn't always scummy.

Regarding Rudi: You are taking the stance here that Orcinus is likely not mafia because he is to brazen about it, Rudi also was brazen asking us to lynch you despite your claim, why is one a probable town and the other a probable mafia, aside from OMGUS?

How is that my stance on Orcinus? And that's not the only reason I think Rudy is scum. Look in my ISO for more (both when I actually said it and when I repeated it for Orc).

[acryon]

For the record, I don't think Rudy pushing on me after my claim is the reason he is scum, because I think the action is more stupid than scummy.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orc saying he doesn't care about Rudolph's alignment in 825 sort of irks me, because generally in Mafia if you're Town you should be concerned about learning players' alignments. I do find it reasonable for Rudy to question why not.

finish your analysis here. i replied to the "why not". what do you think about it?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Just to confirm, you think that highly of copper's scumgame?

I think that highly of copper's intelligence. Let us leave it at that, please.

sure. if i ever develop a sufficiently strong scumread on copper i may come back to this for meta purposes

i don't really know what i'm doing for the rest of the day right now aside from sitting my vote on texcat

what do you think about 3g

[Bookitty]

Leaning town at the moment. Want me to look at him in particular?

[copper223]

@Acryon
Ok I will take the time to re-read your ISO at home before replying, drinking a coffee at starbucks presently, prost

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Leaning town at the moment. Want me to look at him in particular?

i mean i dont' really have a reason to look at him aside from mathdino is scumreading him and i'm townreading dino so

if you want we can do that and sync up

[Bookitty]

Okay, I'm mildly scumreading Mathdino. I'll do GGG, you do Mathdino, that could work. Deal?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

sure

[Bookitty]

Okay. I’m not rereading Newbie because I didn’t enjoy it the first time. Let’s call that a null read.

GGG starts out in Post 323 with an attack on NotReallyGood’s Post 189. Worth noting because that post is just abysmal. He’s reading copper as town, and I was too, so that is good with me.

I don’t like people saying things are gut, so his read on Cane + Able was completely useless to me. I need reasons.

He jabs at Rudolph for being the helpful townie. I remember not liking this before I read Rudolph (and that’s something for another post, but I want to remember it.) This continues in Post 326 where he calls out Rudy for buddying with Anen in Post 214. (Hey, and it worked, because in Post 293 Anen says Rudolph may be town! :p )

Okay, here’s where I start to go townlean on GGG and I don’t look back. Post 331 notes his concerns with Rudolph’s interactions with Constantine. He says this about copper: “Rereading his ISO the reason I had that general feeling and still do is every post he makes has a point. There is no fluff. If you re-read the game there is so much fluff and bickering that someone making concise content filled posts comes of as town.” I support this statement fully and completely.

It’s worth noting here that Idiotking replaced Constantine. I have really liked IK’s posts. GGG was defending Constantine against Rudolph (and I’ve said before about Rudolph’s weird contradiction (I can look it up again, but it’s in my big reads list).

Post 354 is interesting in that GGG reacts to buddying in the way I generally expect town to do.

Okay, I’m not doing post by post from now on, but I agree with or feel that these posts are honest and appropriate to the game state at the time they were made:

Post 464 Defense of Acryon.
Post 496 Irritation with House for picking and choosing when things should be addressed to the mod (which, given recent events, seems really odd too)
Post 504 Take responsibility for your own actions, don’t fob it off on random.org
Post 569 I largely agree with this.
Post 617 Oh god, I hate the “one of these two players is scum” crap. Does that EVER prove to be true?

Also, he sheeped me. Obviously he must be town. :p

[orcinus_theoriginal]

this is obnoxious because i don't have a scumgame to work meta magic with

pedit well hello

[orcinus_theoriginal]

The markers I was trying to find in his town games that would be indicative for this game are
-theory overload
-doling out town reads, being generally non-combative
-really fluid reads

Seeing as I can't reasonably use meta, these markers are relatively useless so I'm going to restart this read. Give me a bit

[Bookitty]

No hurry. I have a cold, so my concentration is sort of sporadic at the moment.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

I never made a big contradiction, Boo. I voted Constantibe because of his glaring hypocrisy and ab homenem that I thought was from a scum mindset. I unvoted once I checked out his games and realised he always plays like this.

learn2readbro

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Trying to meta a person with no scumgames is useless, by the way. I wouldn't bother

[Mathdino]

Got no time, I crashed last night, really sorry again, real life takes precedence. Have read everything except the wall on 3G above. Suffice it to say:

C+A vs orcinus is TvT, I don't want to lynch either, I'd take a wild guess that wagons on them are semi-scum motivated simply due to their pushiness. That said, I still have not reread C+A's ISO and the entire game, so if one of them were scum, I'd say it'd be C+A.

texcat is really screwing with me, I want her to respond to me. I've played with scum-her before actually. I think she's scum.

I don't have a strong read on Bookitty, I often have issues reading experienced players not because of a different playstyle but because I know they're experienced and know how to fake stuff.

Ugh, need to do a reads list. My play is generally way better the more time I have; I think it may be notable that the less time I have to put into a game, the more I end up being scumread. 575 and 574 I was pretty much a universal townread, nowadays, not so much, because the strong aspect of my town game is my cases and longer pieces of analysis.
Basically, I'd appreciate if you took into account that this game is basically my town game without shit that takes too long to write.