Open 577: Hope Plus One! (GAME OVER - SCUM WIN)

[texcat]

#698 You misread this entirely. It was a response to TTHeart's #657. I thought it better to let Wake explain his own posts before I speculated about them. And then when I do answer in #943, you call it meaningless.

Why would you assume that C + A was town helping you here when he was scum in the game you're citing? If it's not meaningless, it's actively bad.

Bookitty, I think you are misreading this again, you've confused the situation so much now that I'm not even going to try and sort it out.

[Bookitty]

C + A is Wake + House. House was scum in that game. House and Wake will have the same alignment here. They are probably talking to each other in a hydra thread we don't see. Wake couldn't have asked you any questions in the thread you were talking about really, because he moderated it.

Do you feel like you can get a good read on Wake's alignment from playing in a game he moderated in which he didn't ask you any questions? Why would you assume that C + A would be town asking you gentle questions because you played in a game where House was scum and Wake was the moderator?

I was reading it as meaningless fluff because it didn't make sense. Can you explain it to me?

[TellTaleHeart]

VOTE: Rudolph the Reindeer

Explain?

Before I begin, does it bother you that I'm voting you?

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

VOTE: Rudolph the Reindeer

Explain?

Before I begin, does it bother you that I'm voting you?

Not at all; I just don't see any reasoning for your vote therefore I want you to explain so I and others can understand

[Cane + Able]

Whether or not GIF actually hammered me or not, that still has to be the scummiest thing I've seen in a long time. Randomly hammering in the middle of the night? Stopping to count the votes,

after

you hammer? My vote was on Orc, but just to emphasize how scummy I thought that was,

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

This OMGUS is really scummy, by the way.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

It's posts like this that has me scum reading you.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

SHe voted Giffy for voting her. Oh my god you suck (for voting for me)

[GuyInFreezer]

If you want to bring up the OMGUS, it's really the weird situation.
I placed my vote on him which was already placed on him which he responded with a vote on me which was already placed on me.

[TellTaleHeart]

I'm getting started anyway, I can't wait on you forever.

There's a closed-mindedness from you that doesn't suggest an uninformed player.

There's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: the Cain+Able read. There's a lot of confidence in the townread without any specifics to back it up. With the complete lack of skepticism on your part, I would expect there to be a thorough, detailed, and developed read, but that's not the case. You acted like it was a meta read and you would make it a point to tell anyone that Cain+Able was a townread, but I'm skeptical of it since there's such a small sample size to draw on and when pressed for details in post 1025 you decline to give any. You had chances to flesh out the read but instead I got vague statements about how easy it is to read Wake. Now I see what House's objection to your "white knighting" was. The guy I learned forum mafia from would call this "overplaying the omniscience hand," the theory being that scum will abuse their extra knowledge of everyone's alignment. (As an aside, my read on Cain+Able has changed for a few reasons, one more important than others.)

The recent texcat push is another. I'm repeatedly inviting anyone to give specifics, but I'm left with generalities such as "active lurking" and "OMGUS" without knowing what either really means, much less how it applies to texcat. There's a disparity between this presentation of "texcat is so obvscum, she needs rope now" and evidence given.

There's also the trivialization of what I had to say about copper in post 1098 which really bothered me because the attitude ("this is just noise") isn't followed up by anything in the form of telling me or copper why the other is town.

[TellTaleHeart]

I'm getting started anyway, I can't wait on you forever.

Sorry, I started writing this post a long time ago and forgot to take out this line. Multiple interruptions and reads for edits delayed the submission of the post. I see your reply.

[Aneninen]

Trying to catch-up.

Plenty of Orcinus-noise which, I don't want to bring that topic again, so, let's say, did NOT help us in scumhunting at all.

Meanwhile, I disliked Rudolph's push on Acryon. (There are plenty of pages ahead, I wonder whether his Acryon-attitude may change later.)

Oh, that 918 from TexCat. That post was dumb indeed but I don't think it was an alignment-tell at all. In itself. And la wow, two quick sheep-votes were arriving, from GGG and Orcinus! C+A Defends TexCat right in their next post (927), this might be important later. If TexCat flips scum. (Although, I'm unconvinced about it.)
What's that TexCat-hysteria anyway? I don't get it at all! But wait-oh, what if she's simply going for the lowest hanging fruit, somehow 946 suggests it! 951 too............
But, here is something about her. The TexCat-wagon had gained momentum quickly but she had hardly done anything – yet got active later when there were no movements on that wagon, neither on nor off. A scum would have reacted in a different way, I think.
Again, something. How could she have null-read Mathdino in 1111? I'm so confused about her right now!

Well, BooKitty, as for your 954, WTFLMAO, you're telling that I have no real reads while you have even less than me?! Dammit, 980 gave me town-vibes, what a pity! Started to produce content in 993. Even if I don't understand why she townreads GGG. Okay, I started townreading her around 1000. As for your 1142, am I wishy-washy? Isn't it possible that I have been on V/LA for a long time and hardly been able to catch-up with everything? Well, you needn't love me, I needn't love you. ^_^

Orcinus's 1008 is weird and somehow gives me scumvibes. ??? is 1013, and dafuq, what if that ... part before was just a red herring and he's not scumhunting at all?
So, GiF arrived. His catchup is... well, I've seen this somewhere (I don't remember right now) but it may be a kind of scum-fake-catchup. And that (most probably) faked-random vote?!

TTH–Copper topic. I think it's a Town-vs-Town noise.

Why am I "maybe scum", Acryon?

Where's Idiotking? Where is Milky Eek?
________

Read-update.
Rudolf might not be my strongest scumread now.
No change on TTH, Mathdino, Copper,
C+A may be town. BooKitty might be town.
TexCat is so unsure.
Orcinus's later gameplay was scummy reagardless of the noise he made and GiF appears to be scummy too. This slot seems to be a better place to vote for.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

May Join a Rudolf wagon if I need, might join a TexCat wagon if I must.
GGG still concerns me and I started to dislike those missing players but I don't think those wagons would happen today.

[Aneninen]

I know this post hasn't been too much but that's all I've been able to produce now. I must have missed plenty of things, so feel free to point out posts I skimmed over.

[TellTaleHeart]

TTH–Copper topic. I think it's a Town-vs-Town noise.

Et tu, Question Mark Hallway Thing?

[Mathdino]

GIF wagon is very fishy, I really don't like Anen's last post. Also texcat's vote on GIF would be enough for me to vote her if I wasn't already. His random vote should, if anything, make him look MORE town, orcinus was EXTREMELY townish, and GIF hasn't actually been playing at all scummy.

Those votes definitely need to be explained.

[Mathdino]

So, GiF arrived. His catchup is... well, I've seen this somewhere (I don't remember right now) but it may be a kind of scum-fake-catchup. And that (most probably) faked-random vote?!

You are literally incapable of faking the dice tags on here.

[Aneninen]

Test.

Original Roll String: 1d20

1 20-Sided Dice: (14) = 14

It refreshes and changes the number whenever I click Preview. Right now it shows 14.

[Aneninen]

So, I can refresh a dice until I get the number I need.

(Mod: I don't know whether it's legal to use that tag at all but it was merely a test, I didn't need a d20 random number nor the number 14.)

[Aneninen]

*refresh a

die

. F-ck.

[Mathdino]

Well then.

Besides that, got a case on GIF/orcinus? They're like my strongest townread now.

[Aneninen]

TTH: I'm townreading both of you.

MathDino: Why was Orcinus townish? I think he simply decided that he would scumread C+A no matter what they posted or what happened. Apart from that, Orc was simply fence-sitting. (Eg. check out his conversation with Bookitty!) GiF's catch-up looks as if it were something but it's pretty much nothing. And I've just shown you that you can generate any number you wish with that tag. By the way, just ISO GiF! How much content can you find there? Why do you think he's town?

[TellTaleHeart]

Please don't trivialize it then. Even if we are both town, I'm hoping what I say serves a purpose. If copper really is town, it will be revealed in the discussion.

[GuyInFreezer]

Test.

Original Roll String: 1d20 (STATIC)

1 20-Sided Dice: (14) = 14

It refreshes and changes the number whenever I click Preview. Right now it shows 14.

Manipulated/previewed+submitted dice tags shows (STATIC). Like above.

[Mathdino]

GIF is town simply because orcinus is town. orcinus is town from the argument he had with C+A (which just screams TvT imo), for asking good questions and providing legit input, and for having what seems to be a natural thought process.

Town at this point is {GIF, C+A, TTH, copper, Idiotking, acryon}. Leaving {3G, Rudy, texcat} as scum with lesser chance of {Aneninen, Bookitty, MME}.

[GuyInFreezer]

Bookitty is town.

The fact that she was the only one who questioned my unexplained reads along with the random vote alone is enough for me to put her in one.

[Cane + Able]

SHe voted Giffy for voting her. Oh my god you suck (for voting for me)

Votes don't exist in a vacuum.

Her scum read on GiF existed before his vote, so OMGUS does not apply.

[Cane + Able]

His random vote should, if anything, make him look MORE town

Said no credible townie, ever.

Random voting has scum written all over it. Town cares about losing town, scum just wants a lynch.

On top of that, he didn't even vote the 11th player, which is Rudolph!

I think he used the excuse that he wouldn't self-vote to dodge lynching his scum-mate, because there is no other reason I can think of to fudge random results.

VOTE: GiF