In post 4498, Garmr wrote:
1.If you think the dr's going to play risky after one block and a sk/mafia that's your business and why do you think I was trying to get sk in specific the whole premise of your shitty pathetic argument is that I would be mafia trying to manipulate sk and not town trying to manipulate sk or mafia with out caring which. Your acting like it's set in stone that I'm mafia when your point doesn't = that at all.
1.b td probally is mafia pv is protected and doc is protecting PV and at the time sk wouldn't know if it was kise or not. Your acting like we had that knowledge yesterday which we didn't please think first.
1.c kise was most likely dr candidate because majiffy+mollie and former fish agreed to this and brought it up so I would say it was more believable than you think.
Ok then Garmr. Lets go over the possibilities then.
A. You're bad town, you tried to out the doctor, you attempted to get our SK cleared person that you dont believe is mafia, so who is confirmed town fypov, killed because "he was annoying"
B. You're mafia, You either have a watcher and were hoping that the SK would kill the SK cleared player to find the SK, or you're just attempting to play the "too scummy to be scum" card.
C. You're the SK, trying to direct the mafia kill onto the SK cleared player so that you wont have to kill him yourself later.
Which one of these should be making me not want to lynch you?
TD is a confirmed neighborizer, PV is most likely protected, and I just pointed out that the SK may have been trying to kill the doctor anyway. But again, thats not the point. You cant bring up "Kise is confirmed not SK" as an arguing point and then ignore all of the other people who are also confirmed not SK.
You're still going to have to explain to me which one of those people the SK should believe making wild speculations.
Why should the SK believe you over say... House? You know, when he claimed that Kise wasnt the doctor.
Because house is a idiot who defended titus and literally was wrong with everyone of his reads so far.
Do you guys love Irony as much as I do?
You can gaurantee that the SK didnt think House was claiming doc here and killed him for it right? Because you'd better be able to if you're going to claim that the SK has no reason to kill the doc and would never do that.
I actually didn't notice the house claim there but you sure did. That to me says he thinks everything I done was wrong but the evidence is still stronger for kise being the dr (even through he wasn't) than house. Kise hah sucked in scum tell at the start of the day, the fact majiffy and mollie were close and I could see majiffy protecting mollie as the House slot had no reason to protect mollie. Let have a moment of silence for house he did all he was good for soaking a bullet up to let town have more of a chance amen.
Add a motive for shooting house here for twie +1
Yeah I guess it was a bit unreasonable for me to expect you to read that when house posted that after you tried to out the doc, or when Nacho brought it up earlier today, or when you (presumably) glanced back through his ISO after he died (you know, like town do).
I really hope you're trying to argue that I shot house because I thought he was doc based off that post. Because its definitely not like I spent the day in a neighborhood with a claimed doc or anything. Maybe I thought the claimed doc was lying, and shot house because of that post. This is good, we should explore this more. This definitely doesn't feel like you're trying to get the pressure off yourself by trying to deflect onto me at all.
But while we're talking about being in a neighborhood with a claimed doc anyway. I'm sure its going to shock you that D3x brought up Kise and House in the neighborhood and then we discussed what they could be doing. You know, because as the real doc, people trying to out the doc and claim doc are things that could potentially interest him.
My argument is that you did things with scum motivations.
There is scum motivation in trying to get town killed. There is scum motivation in trying to out the doctor. etc.
I could also off kise latter instead of trying to manipulate sk it would be much easier and safer I was trying to manipulate mafia again as mafia would more likely take the bait than sk. This comes from my mind set through looking at yours if you were sk you would kill a dr lead.
You're right, you could do that. Or you could try and find the SK with a watch. Or you could be the SK, trying to get them to off one of the conf-not SKs. We've established that mafia is not a game that is set in stone, thats wonderful. But that doesnt make any of the things you ACTUALLY did less overtly scummy.
Also the implication here that I'm SK and trying to kill the doc, while ignoring that I knew who the doc was here is as funny and desperate as it was a couple paragraphs ago.
Your response me saying that there is scum motivation in this shit that you've been doing CANNOT be, "but the SK didnt kill him so you're wrong."
The SK's actions DO NOT change the potential scum motivations behind the shit that you've been doing.
your original premise is flawed and revolves around the sks motivation thus i have to respond with that's why your argument is circular as it's possible for me to be town or sk still it was a null anti town move yet you try to portray it as mafia only?
You're right. I should have also been talking about the scenario where you're the SK and wanted the mafia to kill off Kise because he was confirmed not SK for you. I hope that I've rectified my terrible mistake now.
Claiming that an argument is bad because the SK chose to do something else is seriously one of the dumbest things that I've ever seen someone try and do.
Trying to push i'm mafia becuase mafia actually shot the real dr instead of the person I shouted is bad in itself.
Actually I was saying that if mafia had a watcher it would help explain why someone would try and out the doc for no real reason. Like rather than being just stupid and scummy, there could be a reason behind doing it.
What I did could easily come from all 3 alignments your trying to prove it's one with out disproving the other 2 thus is wifomy. you try to push that I was reaching out to sk when most scenarios would have me trying to manipulate mafia. Thus what you started with is wifomy and can only get more wifomy. Your arguments go a whole 360 basically it goes
you have to be mafia---->you were trying to manipulate sk----->You argued against my wifomy point that your mafia trying to manipulate sk because in my mind sk would do this while in your mind it would do that, but because it's in my mind your mind is irrelevant----> that's scum motivation in itself arguing that your not mafia because of these reason because I only consider one path and I have no concrete evidence you are mafia from one anti town action-------->you have to be mafia------->rinse a repeat very similar arguments.
This is you
This is not at all how this works. I dont need to disprove anything. I point out the reasons that I think you could be scum, and then people agree or disagree with me. Claiming that those arguments are invalid because I didnt prove 100% that you aren't just dumb, bad town first is not how mafia works.
You can also try and reduce all of these arguments into a circle like that, but thats also not correct. It's actually more like a tree that starts at you doing scummy shit and me adding branches of potential reasons why you would do them. And so when you present a reason that you could be doing something and I point out the potential reasons mafia would still do that, thats not just me arguing in a circle, its just adding more branches to the tree. And I actually dont care which reason is right, I just care about lynching you because I think you're not town.
As the last rays of sunlight fade, one killer chases another through the tangled madness of the city.
A flash of steel announces the presence of his quarry.
The stage is set.
The night explodes.
