Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

[Untrod Tripod]

@Wisdom: He could be telling the truth, which is why we should lynch it and not leave the possibility of a cult open.

No, we shouldn't. Whoever believes him can just refrain from targetting him.

~Wis

This is a big game with dumb people in it. It's a far bigger risk to have potentially useful PRs converted away from my alignment.

[The Will of Heaven]

vote: Untrod Tripod

guys, you need to lynch me today.

I'm a town-aligned player

whose passive ability is that anyone who targets me has their wincon changed to Cult. The negative utility if town targets me is too high, and leaving me alive will raise too many questions come lategame. There's no way to get a cop to verify my alignment, since the cop will become a Cultist.

lynching me is the optimal day 1 play from my perspective.

I believe you! I would rather wait for inevitable day shenanigans to take care of you, though: if Kise made a bastard game and didn't include a day vigilante, then shame on him.

~Wis

[The Will of Heaven]

Now that the game's started-

We are a survivor that wins with everyone.

Our flavor is Pacman. That being said, we're going to be jumping on the main wagon from here on out.

Course, I might have some witty banter for you all. One doesn't just get in this awesome playerlist and lurk the entire time. Pretty much all I'm going to do though.

This, on the other hand, seems like bullshit.

~Wis

[GGG]

If you're wanting to lynch them because they claimed survivor, that's a policy lynch. If they have other actions (besides the claim) that makes you think scum, then by all means, enlighten us.

So if we choose not to lynch a claimed survivor who has committed to vote the largest wagon. We get to Lylo and the survivor votes the towniest person so the remaining scum jump on to win. How is this not be the outcome? And if this is the outcome how is it not better for us to lynch now.

This doesn't even consider the possibility of lying. Which does exist.

So can you explain how keeping this person alive benefits the town.

[The Will of Heaven]

why the fuck aren't you people lynching me

Mind claiming flavor as well?

I agree that jester seems unlikely, but I'm suspicious of shenanigans.

-kagami

What kind of shenanigans?

~Wis

[ArcAngel9]

the question of the day. Can you believe UT or not? If there is a Day Vig. Please do your job. Shoot UT please!!!

[The Will of Heaven]

Wisdom's vote is a good one, but we really need to sort the UT thing out. UT can't be alive at night if he's telling the truth.

Because lynching someone who has no effect on achieving your wincon seems like a

brilliant

idea.

I think next we should have a cop claim and lynch him! I mean, he wins with town too! He could be a threat later if all scum are godfathers!

It's in your best interest to vote town should you make it to lylo. That's a problem.

Policy lynching claimed survivors is dumb on Day 1. The only reason to lynch Skitty is if you think he's actually scum, otherwise vig shoots them if they don't have any other targets OR we lynch them the day before MyLo, assuming they're willing to contribute.

~Wis

[ArcAngel9]

Now that the game's started-

We are a survivor that wins with everyone.

Our flavor is Pacman. That being said, we're going to be jumping on the main wagon from here on out.

Course, I might have some witty banter for you all. One doesn't just get in this awesome playerlist and lurk the entire time. Pretty much all I'm going to do though.

This, on the other hand, seems like bullshit.

~Wis

I said this and bulba defends this guy for some reasons. What you think of bulba?

[GGG]

@Wisdom: He could be telling the truth, which is why we should lynch it and not leave the possibility of a cult open.

No, we shouldn't. Whoever believes him can just refrain from targetting him.

~Wis

This is a big game with dumb people in it. It's a far bigger risk to have potentially useful PRs converted away from my alignment.

Why did you say converted away from my alignment instead of converted away from town. The way you worded it sounds like you aren't town.

[ArcAngel9]

Wisdom - I don't believe that survivor claim. Seems fake!!!!!!

Skitty - Do you have any night actions?

[The Will of Heaven]

If you're wanting to lynch them because they claimed survivor, that's a policy lynch. If they have other actions (besides the claim) that makes you think scum, then by all means, enlighten us.

His exact words were "I want to vote the survivor because they probably aren't a survivor". To me, this says he wants to vote Skitty because they're lying scum and not at all as a policy lynch, so where the fuck did you get that from?

[Major Minor]

Why isn't anyone commenting on the fact that my claim contradicts Skitty's claim?

[Untrod Tripod]

Yes

Dayvig plz shoot me

[The Will of Heaven]

Now that the game's started-

We are a survivor that wins with everyone.

Our flavor is Pacman. That being said, we're going to be jumping on the main wagon from here on out.

Course, I might have some witty banter for you all. One doesn't just get in this awesome playerlist and lurk the entire time. Pretty much all I'm going to do though.

This, on the other hand, seems like bullshit.

~Wis

I said this and bulba defends this guy for some reasons. What you think of bulba?

I think Bulbazak is also pretty scummy.

~Wis

[Untrod Tripod]

@Wisdom: He could be telling the truth, which is why we should lynch it and not leave the possibility of a cult open.

No, we shouldn't. Whoever believes him can just refrain from targetting him.

~Wis

This is a big game with dumb people in it. It's a far bigger risk to have potentially useful PRs converted away from my alignment.

Why did you say converted away from my alignment instead of converted away from town. The way you worded it sounds like you aren't town.

This is a perfect example of why I don't trust the town to not target me at night.

[The Will of Heaven]

Eh, I guess I'll claim. Won't get any juicier than this!

Wisdom, I know bastard game means lies and stuff, but this isn't one of the things I would think can be touched or altered by that.

I can't think of something that makes survivor unlikely to exist, but okay

~Wis

How about, "another survivor with a different win condition"?

I can't just win with anyone. I specifically can

only win with mafia or town

. I highly doubt the moderator put in two survivors in the first place (though admittedly possible), but if he did, they would have the same win condition. And They specifically stated they can win with ANYONE, which is very different from mafia/town only.

This generally just adds to the "Skitty is prob scum" point. Although, if you win with only mafia or town, why didn't you push to lynch UT?

~Wis

[The Will of Heaven]

That does sound like a good point. Though why do you think they would fake claim survivor? How does that help them?

~Wis

pedit: @major

Notscience claims survivor because he hates playing scum and it gives him a reason to lurk.

~Wis

[Major Minor]

Eh, I guess I'll claim. Won't get any juicier than this!

Wisdom, I know bastard game means lies and stuff, but this isn't one of the things I would think can be touched or altered by that.

I can't think of something that makes survivor unlikely to exist, but okay

~Wis

How about, "another survivor with a different win condition"?

I can't just win with anyone. I specifically can

only win with mafia or town

. I highly doubt the moderator put in two survivors in the first place (though admittedly possible), but if he did, they would have the same win condition. And They specifically stated they can win with ANYONE, which is very different from mafia/town only.

This generally just adds to the "Skitty is prob scum" point. Although, if you win with only mafia or town, why didn't you push to lynch UT?

~Wis

Well, I've never been a survivor before, so I'm unsure the best way to ensure my survival. I think, if town thinks I'm working against them in any way, I'll be an immediate lynch. So I'm trying to do what I think is good for town in order to be helpful. Mafia will likely not waste a kill on me, so that's my best bet.

[Bulbazak]

The way AA9 talked to me is not coming from a town place. She tried to placate me and then went with a fake question to UT to make it look like she was town scumhunting. Nothing about that exchange was natural and coming from a town mindset.

So if we choose not to lynch a claimed survivor who has committed to vote the largest wagon. We get to Lylo and the survivor votes the towniest person so the remaining scum jump on to win. How is this not be the outcome? And if this is the outcome how is it not better for us to lynch now.

Again, this is voting for policy reasons. If Skitty is a survivor, then her only goal is to stay alive, which means it doesn't matter who she votes. Personally, since survivors share the wincon, I have no problem with that and would instead make sure that she votes in our favor. If you think she's scum for the claim, then that's one thing. However, if you are trying to lynch her because she's a survivor, which it sounds like you are, then that is very scummy, since you are focusing on a useless wagon over a useful wagon on an anti-town role, or in lieu of actual scumhunting.

P-edit: @Major: I don't see the contradiction between the two roles.

[Untrod Tripod]

Eh, I guess I'll claim. Won't get any juicier than this!

Wisdom, I know bastard game means lies and stuff, but this isn't one of the things I would think can be touched or altered by that.

I can't think of something that makes survivor unlikely to exist, but okay

~Wis

How about, "another survivor with a different win condition"?

I can't just win with anyone. I specifically can

only win with mafia or town

. I highly doubt the moderator put in two survivors in the first place (though admittedly possible), but if he did, they would have the same win condition. And They specifically stated they can win with ANYONE, which is very different from mafia/town only.

This generally just adds to the "Skitty is prob scum" point. Although, if you win with only mafia or town, why didn't you push to lynch UT?

~Wis

This is a solid point

[The Will of Heaven]

@Wisdom: He could be telling the truth, which is why we should lynch it and not leave the possibility of a cult open.

No, we shouldn't. Whoever believes him can just refrain from targetting him.

~Wis

Redirectors, town who don't want to be town, etc, third parties with impossible win conditions, etc. It's better just not to leave that option open.

~Wis

[Skitty]

I actually probably wouldn't mind playing mafia in this playerlist, nt tho

Multiple survivors with different win conditions isn't a surprise to me in the least

[Bulbazak]

@Wisdom: Then why aren't you voting him?!?

[DeathNote]

Why isn't anyone commenting on the fact that my claim contradicts Skitty's claim?

Because you didn't claim. You said your role may contradict the survivors roles which means nothing really.

I am against lynching the survivor and would prefer a vig shot on him. Claiming survivor day 1 isn't very smart so I am not sure what the underlying motive there is.

EDIT: Unless the meta read on NS is true.

[Major Minor]

P-edit: @Major: I don't see the contradiction between the two roles.

You don't see a contradiction between two roles, both being survivors, having different win conditions? Why can I only win with town/mafia, but Skitty can win with any alignment?