Open 580: Tit For Tat - Game Over!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

V O T E C O U N T

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(3)

davesaz -

Malakittens, acryon, Luca Blight

(L-4)

(3)

Paschendale -

Shinobi, Aquanim, Bulbazak

(L-4)

(2)

Xayzeck -

T S O, Paschendale

(L-5)

(2)

Luca Blight -

Tempest, Netherspite

(L-5)

(1)

Shinobi -

davesaz

(L-6)

(1)

Not Voting —

Xayzeck

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

Mod Notes;

• acryon is V/LA until 15/12

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Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-12-15 23:00:00)

[davesaz]

You dont think jumping on Shinobi's lack of real scum hunting is genuine?
Is there something else morr exciting to attack? If so are you attacking it?

[T S O]

Yeah, actually, it'd be you.

[Shinobi]

Back, rereading etc etc.

[davesaz]

Yeah, actually, it'd be you.

Those were two questions. Answer for the 1st?

[Shinobi]

I just remembered the question I wanted to ask dave before.

Dave, why is it that you're putting no stock in Mala's read? Have you ever thought that, since meta is Mala's whole gameplan whenever she plays mafia, that she might be onto something and you might have missed it? Part of your case is based on her calling me town off of what you perceive to be little whereas she has much more experience with me and might be able to gauge me based on less.

I'm not sure if you're aware of it or not, but I think more than half of my games on MS have been with Mala. I'd think she could read me somewhat reliably at that point, and I guess that's why I don't find her read on me weird.

[Shinobi]

Also to note that now is a good idea for Mala to elaborate on her read so I can see what I'm dealing with here.

[davesaz]

Has she seen you as scum when she wasn't? This may have been answered before...

[Shinobi]

I've never rolled scum on MS. The only slot I've had thus far is the one in Suburban Warfare, which was...Pretty lulzy.

It's there if you want to look at it though. I keep my wiki super up-to-date.

[Aquanim]

I'm not sure if you're aware of it or not, but I think more than half of my games on MS have been with Mala. I'd think she could read me somewhat reliably at that point, and I guess that's why I don't find her read on me weird.

If your wiki page is accurate you only have one scum game on MS (replaced into a weird slot, to boot) and Mala wasn't in it. I personally don't put much weight into a meta read without meta from both alignments.

[Aquanim]

Well that got ninja'd pretty hard.

[Shinobi]

Don't hurt yourself.

There's plenty that can be gleaned from meta, even if it's one-sided; why assume someone is scum because they're playing the same way they always have? She's posted a towncase on me before, despite my meta being one-sided, and it was ridiculously accurate. (Also from Open 570, fyi.)

I might be biased in this regard since I think I'm obvtown, but I need Mala's reasoning to move on from this.

[Aquanim]

Why assume someone is town when you have no idea how they would play as scum?

That being said, I don't feel the need to pursue this further for now. Just marking time until either Paschendale gets some more votes or someone gives a reason for that not to be the case.

[Xayzeck]

And the fact that all you're doing is trying to salvage his position instead of forging a new one yourself is definitely not pro-town.

VOTE: Pasch

[Xayzeck]

Yo TSO your vote is shit

[Aquanim]

Yo TSO your vote is shit

The vote for you, or the vote you might assume he was making for davesaz given his recent posts?

[Xayzeck]

The vote for me

I'm cool with dave votes

[Shinobi]

I'm not cool with dave votes.

I want to give him more time.

[Xayzeck]

We've got a day and a half left

[Shinobi]

Yeah, that's not what I mean though.

We aren't lynching him today.

[Netherspite]

Using town-only meta as the strong reason to townread someone is not a good idea imo. Here I totally agree with dave & Aquanim.

@Aquanim

Can you do me a favor and sum your Pasch's case up for me?

[Netherspite]

You would.

Dunno if Netherspite would, though.

Depends on the situation.
I think I would if I were a Goon while Maf PR would be at the risk of being lynched. This would buy the PR 2 days.
Or if we would have a LyLo next day.

[Malakittens]

Why assume someone is town when you have no idea how they would play as scum?

That being said, I don't feel the need to pursue this further for now. Just marking time until either Paschendale gets some more votes or someone gives a reason for that not to be the case.

Because after seeing them play so many town games there's a certain pattern that they will show when they roll first time scum. Call it a scent, but it's easy to spot as hell.

[Malakittens]

I might be okay with switching to pash as my townreads are on it, but if i do i'm putting him to L-1

[Malakittens]

Also to note that now is a good idea for Mala to elaborate on her read so I can see what I'm dealing with here.

Everything is meta, gut or a mixture is that what you really want to hear?