Open 577: Hope Plus One! (GAME OVER - SCUM WIN)

[theelkspeaks]

Vote Count 2.6
With 11 Alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Idiotking(2)

- Mathdino, Aneninen

texcat (3)

- Idiotking, TellTaleHeart, GGG

GGG (3)

- Cain + Able, texcat, copper223

Cain + Able (1)

- Ollie

Not Voting (2)

- My Milked Eek, Acryon

(expired on 2014-12-28 14:00:00) will be the deadline. MME has exceeded his announced VLA and failed to respond to a post-VLA prod. He will be replaced if a replacement is found before he returns. Idiotking has been prodded.

Reposting VC for top of page

[Cane + Able]

His interactions with me.

But seriously, though.

[Aneninen]

Elk, why did you steal the pagetop?
I'm the one who keeps stealing the pagetop with null-fluffs all the time ^_^

I've been thinking about it today, and most of the quagmire in my reads come from GGG and Idiotking. They're important because their effects domino onto key slots like Cain+Able and copper. I'll unravel this.

Sensible.

Aneninen has been sheeping me for most of the game, I'm thinking out of a townread on me or because we find the same things scummy but if I had to build a conspiracy theory that's not something I'd gloss over.

Or I'm simply slow and dumb. The first one of those things is about to change now.

Hi everyone! This is my first proper game on this site. Be gentle with me.

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhh how about no? ^_^

(Oh I've just seen it! 6 pages in 1 day ??? WTF has happened here?)

Drunk right now. Will try to catch up tomorrow.
Drunken gut says coppers scun

That might be a piece of useful info later. (Also Copper's 1790, as a reaction.)

Ollie, 1815, what sort of shytty catchup is that?

C+A, 1816 – !!!!!! And indeed, those players are voting in the same way! I don't think TTH is scum, though.

^town reaction for the record
glad the test actually got results

That was about Ollie. Why is he

that

town?

vote: Cane + Able

Uhhh-whytdafuk?!

[Cane + Able]

Elk, why did you steal the pagetop?
I'm the one who keeps stealing the pagetop with null-fluffs all the time ^_^

I've been thinking about it today, and most of the quagmire in my reads come from GGG and Idiotking. They're important because their effects domino onto key slots like Cain+Able and copper. I'll unravel this.

Sensible.

Aneninen has been sheeping me for most of the game, I'm thinking out of a townread on me or because we find the same things scummy but if I had to build a conspiracy theory that's not something I'd gloss over.

Or I'm simply slow and dumb. The first one of those things is about to change now.

Hi everyone! This is my first proper game on this site. Be gentle with me.

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhh how about no? ^_^

(Oh I've just seen it! 6 pages in 1 day ??? WTF has happened here?)

Drunk right now. Will try to catch up tomorrow.
Drunken gut says coppers scun

That might be a piece of useful info later. (Also Copper's 1790, as a reaction.)

Ollie, 1815, what sort of shytty catchup is that?

C+A, 1816 – !!!!!! And indeed, those players are voting in the same way! I don't think TTH is scum, though.

^town reaction for the record
glad the test actually got results

That was about Ollie. Why is he

that

town?

vote: Cane + Able

Uhhh-whytdafuk?!

I don't think TTH is scum either, though today shook my read a little.

My point in posting that was to illustrate that vote counts can be used to say pretty much anything.

[GGG]

VOTE: GGG
1. You give me a retarded scumread that I'm too town to be town because I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt when a townie wouldn't and say you will meta read me.
2. I know that if you do that you will find among the available scum meta that I did the exact opposite.
3. You reply that I behaved the same in both games
4. I tell everyone why you are full of shit

That's not use of self meta, that's showing why you are a liar.

Where did I include in my scum read of you that "giving you the benefit of the doubt" was the basis for my your too town case. It seems you are creating this strawman meta case you want everyone to look at.

[copper223]

@GGG

Even here I am your scum read and instead of pushing me as scum for doing this you point out the logical inconsistency. This sounds ridiculous but it's too town. Hence me wanting to look at your meta.

[GGG]

Okay What you are calling benefit of the doubt what I am calling looking at the logical consistency of posts. What I see in that game is you logically attacking all the arguments. And you don't just tunnel lia in that game. At one point you switch over to fake god as your read.

Now you're calling me a liar for not agreeing with your self meta. I think in your scum game you use the Same approach you do here.

[Idiotking]

Sorry for my absence, I'll try to catch up tonight/tomorrow morning.

[copper223]

@GGG
I switched to FG, and notice he was not a scumread, he was someone I wanted to end up reading as null, only because nobody was following me on Lia and I never changed my read on her like I did with BMWS/Boo and Texcat already this game nor did I give her the chance to explain herself like I did with you.

The rest was me trying to look town by appearing to scumhunt as usual, if you hadn't blatantly lied about my scum meta I would have waited for your read on my town game, but there is no need now as I'm pretty sure you are scum.

[Ollie]

His interactions with me.

But seriously, though.

you never said anything in response to the points I raised about you.

[Ollie]

Cane & Able

makes a big post telling people what to do & what's going to happen. Another gorilla beating their chest early in this game. But a post that long with no real scum hunting content? Red flag.

Cane & Able

bump's

Gravity

's vote for townie

Pastro

& proclaims it as a good read, trying to steer town down that path? Buddying up to town as well there?

^

[GGG]

@GGG
I switched to FG, and notice he was not a scumread, he was someone I wanted to end up reading as null, only because nobody was following me on Lia and I never changed my read on her like I did with BMWS/Boo and Texcat already this game nor did I give her the chance to explain herself like I did with you.

The rest was me trying to look town by appearing to scumhunt as usual, if you hadn't blatantly lied about my scum meta I would have waited for your read on my town game, but there is no need now as I'm pretty sure you are scum.

You have one scum game.
You are pushing this said meta as the way you always play scum
You are misrepresenting what is actually in that meta and my case. I still don't know what you are talking about with your boo/BMWS case
You are accusing me of lying when I am not.

Essentially you are trying to say that when you're scum you always tunnel and never reverse a read and your one game shows that. First your one game doesn't show that and that approach to playing scum would be the dumbest long term play on this site.

[copper223]

@GGG
No, I never claimed to always play as I did in 415, that's why this has little to do with meta, I claim that the meta you just said to have done on me cannot yield the results you imply and thus you are lying.

I don't see why you would as town, so my conclusion is you are trying to misrep me here as mafia because painting me scum is a way to discredit the push on you.

[GGG]

@GGG
No, I never claimed to always play as I did in 415, that's why this has little to do with meta, I claim that the meta you just said to have done on me cannot yield the results you imply and thus you are lying.

I don't see why you would as town, so my conclusion is you are trying to misrep me here as mafia because painting me scum is a way to discredit the push on you.

Why would I lie about my meta read on you if I am scum when anyone can go check. It's just dumb.

You stopped tunnelling lia in that game. You evaluated logically information and choose the conclusions that most helped your position. This is no different then here.

[GGG]

Also

VOTE: copper

[copper223]

@GGG
You are likely counting on most of town being too lazy to do their homework. Let's see what TTH has to say about it.

[Cane + Able]

Cane & Able

makes a big post telling people what to do & what's going to happen. Another gorilla beating their chest early in this game. But a post that long with no real scum hunting content? Red flag.

Cane & Able

bump's

Gravity

's vote for townie

Pastro

& proclaims it as a good read, trying to steer town down that path? Buddying up to town as well there?

^

I see question marks, but I don't really know what you want me to answer. Should I feel bad for supporting my scum read's wagon?

If I agree with a person's read, should I be suspicious of them for it?

Your "points" don't really have one, imho.

[GGG]

@GGG
You are likely counting on most of town being too lazy to do their homework. Let's see what TTH has to say about it.

Isn't that exactly what you're doing with your self meta defense.

[copper223]

@GGG
Please continue to misrep as it just makes it obvious.

[Ollie]

VOTE: GGG

copper seems legit, very thorough attention to detail in this game. We'll see where this goes #buddyingup

[Mathdino]

Fuck the reads list, I've restarted my computer twice since I started that and keep trying to get motivation to restart PbPA and it fails. I did, however, have time to look over everyone's ISOs.

TTH: Highly town, there are some posts of hers I legitimately cannot see coming from a groupscum standpoint.

acryon: Town for now although today makes me suspicious, like he's hiding behind his conftown standpoint. I don't really know. I don't need to try to read acryon right now so I don't really care to, if he's lying there are 2 other scum.

orcinus/GIF/Ollie: Ollie's catchup is meh but otherwise this slot is so damn town you have no idea. orcinus's push was not scumposting and was pretty pointless if he was scum. GIF, meh, nothing seemed not genuine.
Here's the thing guys. ABR's wiki actually says this quite well: it doesn't take that much to read someone. Unless TTH or Ollie outright scumslip, the posts made that are completely inconsistent with scum

remain inconsistent with scum

. That doesn't change, new evidence be damned. Either TTH and orcinus are incredible at modeling their scumselves, their posting will always remain solidly town.

copper: Town, all his pushes seem like they flow very well and like TTH, I can see his thought process. The problem is I'm seeing their thought processes not seeing each other's thought processes.

3G: Scum for early catchup and reasoning so provably wrong that I think it has to be furthering his own interests.

IK: Scum for lying, moving on. The thing I said about TTH/Ollie applies here as well; he lied about his experience in relation to a move he pulled, plain and simple. This is inconsistent with town and he's failed to show how it's consistent. Scum.

MME: -_-

Aneninen: Hasn't posted in so long I can't get a read. I remember townreading him early on for generally not bad reasoning but I can't remember now if any of that is legit.
Mental note to look over this again.

texcat and C+A I also need to really scrutinise at this point. Got a lot of things pulling me to read them in either way. Will do soonish.

[theelkspeaks]

DrippingGoofball replaces My Milked Eek

[theelkspeaks]

Vote Count 2.7
With 11 Alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Idiotking(2)

- Mathdino, Aneninen

texcat (2)

- Idiotking, TellTaleHeart

GGG (4)

- Cain + Able, texcat, copper223, Ollie

copper223 (1)

- GGG

Not Voting (2)

- Dripping Goofball, Acryon

(expired on 2014-12-28 14:00:00) will be the deadline. Idiotking has been prodded.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi guys, checking in and sheeping Mathdino cuz that shit works.

VOTE: Idiotking

[Mathdino]

',:-/