Consulmaker - Carthage wins!

[Mastermind of Sin]

hmm much as i hate to resist OMGUS voting, i wouldnt say that Rand is the best choice for today.

Please Explain.

i just dont recall him being as scummy as say, MoS.

Wait, didn't BM want me as Tribune?

[Battle Mage]

hmm much as i hate to resist OMGUS voting, i wouldnt say that Rand is the best choice for today.

Please Explain.

i just dont recall him being as scummy as say, MoS.

Wait, didn't BM want me as Tribune?

yes i did, because IF you were town, i figured you'd have enough sense to veto a BM-kill. take it as a compliment.

[Twito]

hmm, is there a reason why you want to stay in this game, and not others?
just a thought...

Depends on what others you are referring to. I believe I've only asked to be replaced in one game.

In that particular game I asked to be replaced as I've never really put any effort to that game and have no idea what is going on in that game. So if I were to give a up a game to have more time for my other games it made most sense to give up that one.
The game is already far and it would take me a nice amount of time to catch up with it. I felt like someone else could make a better effort on that game as I already have 3 ongoing games on top of that one and my time is limited because of current midsummer-day parties and me working 5 days a week.

[Raffles]

I fear if I don't do this, nothing will be done.

Execute: BM

[Battle Mage]

I fear if I don't do this, nothing will be done.

Execute: BM

ridiculous logic. but i guess the act isnt a great surprise. all i have left to say is that both tribunes THINK about this before they decide what to do. If you are not absolutely certain that i am scum, use your veto. Do not just choose not to because you dont want to rock the boat. There is a reason that tribunes exist in this game. Unfortunately, they havent fulfilled any purpose so far this game. Its time for you to take a stand and go with your heart. thats the advice i'd want, if anyone had made me tribune.
Oh and btw, im vanilla here. Hence my evident desire to get to DO something here. unfortunately ive yet to have the opportunity to prove myself in a position of responsibility.
my life is in your hands.
BM

*waits for someone to shout Appeal to Emotion*

[Sarcastro]

Well, this isn't the execution I wanted, but given several things, including the apparent support for executing BM over Rand and the fact that there are only three days left until deadline, I'd urge the tribunes not to veto this lynch for fear that we'll lose today's execution.

If you are not absolutely certain that i am scum, use your veto.

I doubt it matters much at this point, but I just wanted to point out that this statement makes absolutely no sense in the context of this game.

[Battle Mage]

thats an odd thing to say. i had assumed that despite the change in game mechanics, the objective was still to kill scum during the day.

[Sarcastro]

"This game" refers to the game of Mafia in general. Since when is Mafia ever about being 100% sure of everything?

Anyway, it's a moot point. I was just amused that you acted as if in a game about lynching people we should apply the concept of Reasonable Doubt.

[Yosarian2]

Sarcastro: I agree with what you're saying, but I would like you to clarify what your thoughts on this particular lynch are. Do you think BM is scummy? If you had to guess right now, what do you think the outcome of this lynch will be?

[Sarcastro]

Yes, I've stated before that I think BM is fairly scummy and I'd be okay with his lynch. I'm not actually sure what I would guess, if, that is, we're taking into account the fact that because town outnumber scum, people are, on average, more town than scum, and I'm not sure whether or not BM's scumminess actually pushes him above 50% in my mind. There is also the fact that I rather strongly believe that Rand is scum, and I don't really see Rand and BM being scum together.

More to the point, though, I would probably consider BM the second-scummiest person after Rand.

[Zindaras]

Very touching, BM.

I'm not going to veto this execution. I've already outlined (with no response) why I feel BM is the scummiest.

Actually, Sarcy, what do you think about the cases I outlined in Post 1194. Do you believe Primate was bussing his buddy, Rand?

[Shanba]

sigh. I'm tempted to veto this one. But in the end, whatever whoever it was said, earlier in the thread, even if I save BM this time he'll be executed eventually. I'm annoyed we never came ot a consensus about testing my ability. Also, BM could be scum. However, I am by and large unhappy wit how today has gone.

[Battle Mage]

if you are unhappy, Veto the lynch. i may be killed tomorrow, but the fact is, we have 1 more opportunity to hit scum today.

[Shanba]

Wait. I'm working on the premise we can't unveto.

Mod: Can we unveto?

If we can't unveto, I'd be unhappy with basically having disqualified you from execution, as you aren't ncessarily a bad lynch (I confess to a total inability to read you, though I am trying to metagame you some, and you look fairly typical BM to me.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

No.

[Shanba]

Then I will not veto Battle Mage's execution.

[Sarcastro]

Actually, Sarcy, what do you think about the cases I outlined in Post 1194. Do you believe Primate was bussing his buddy, Rand?

Well, I believe Rand is scum, so if Rand is Carthage-scum and not Elephant-scum, then yes. Unless you're asking if I think Primate was attempting to do something other than bus/distance, in which case I'm not sure what other motive scum would have for expressing suspicion of their buddies.

As a side note, I like how Rand has decided to start lurking again as soon as the discussion isn't about him anymore.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I believe Raffles should've waited for BM to claim. That was a premature execution, and makes him look much worse in my eyes, should BM be protown.

[Sarcastro]

The fact that he refused to execute Rand on the principle that he won't execute lurkers, regardless of scuminess, is a lot worse in my eyes.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Taking away that, do you still believe his actions were scummy?

[Mastermind of Sin]

EBWOP: If not, why?

[Zindaras]

Well, I believe Rand is scum, so if Rand is Carthage-scum and not Elephant-scum, then yes. Unless you're asking if I think Primate was attempting to do something other than bus/distance, in which case I'm not sure what other motive scum would have for expressing suspicion of their buddies.

No, you see, that's deciding Rand is scum and that Primate was therefore bussing him. The question is: does it look like Primate's bussing Rand? For all I know, you never even noticed the fact that Primate was voting Rand.

[Sarcastro]

Well, I believe Rand is scum, so if Rand is Carthage-scum and not Elephant-scum, then yes. Unless you're asking if I think Primate was attempting to do something other than bus/distance, in which case I'm not sure what other motive scum would have for expressing suspicion of their buddies.

No, you see, that's deciding Rand is scum and that Primate was therefore bussing him. The question is: does it look like Primate's bussing Rand? For all I know, you never even noticed the fact that Primate was voting Rand.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood exactly what you were asking. It's kind of hard to say what it looks like Primate was doing. As far as I can see, he never gave much of a reason, he just called Rand scum a couple of times. That can easily go either way in my mind - it doesn't look especially like either.

Taking away that, do you still believe his actions were scummy?

Which actions? Just executing BM without asking for a claim? Yes, I do find that scummy, now that you mention it, but it didn't really stand out that much to me - not as much as his horrible reasoning regarding lurkers did.

[Battle Mage]

i dont think any of you have the right to criticise those orchestrating my lynch, because i dont think ANYONE voiced an objection to it. The problem tomorrow will be that today's execution not only means we have one less day to defeat the scum, but also that this execution will have taught us NOTHING.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Flavour.

Battle Mage, Roman Citizen, has been Executed.

You have 72 hours to send in Night Choices.