Open 580: Tit For Tat - Game Over!

[Shinobi]

I'm not going to hammer until I get a claim though.

Intent to hammer.

[Xayzeck]

If someone selfvotes, I don't think there's any point in asking for claims anymore, Shin.

[Shinobi]

If someone selfvotes, I don't think there's any point in asking for claims anymore, Shin.

I'm aware.

I just kind of want to soak it in.

[Aquanim]

He softclaimed VT in #1012 but I guess we might as well do it properly.

I'm honestly not enthused about this lynch but I won't take a martyr to LYLO on policy so might as well get it over with. At worst we put a townie out of his misery and Bulbazak will have to talk about something else tomorrow.

[Malakittens]

Why are you so confident that you both will be alive tomorrow...?

[Aquanim]

I'm not really, but I'm a pessimist by nature - examining the less pleasant scenarios first.

[Aquanim]

Now that I think about it, there was something else I wanted to discuss. Should we tell the vigilante who to shoot? Or at least, choose a pool of two people or something.

Having the rolecop or JK double up on a vigilante shot target seems exceedingly suboptimal and easily avoided.

[Shinobi]

Why are you so confident that you both will be alive tomorrow...?

I don't see how it's strange to think those things.

[Malakittens]

I already gave my thoughts on the 6 remaining none claimers and how we should handle it.

The three prs should shoot from that pool, but apparently we won't be massclaiming so that won't happen

let the prs do their own thing.

[Malakittens]

Why are you so confident that you both will be alive tomorrow...?

I don't see how it's strange to think those things.

Scum!me is planning to shoot town!him.

[Shinobi]

Oh well thanks for telling us then.

[Aquanim]

I already gave my thoughts on the 6 remaining none claimers and how we should handle it.

The three prs should shoot from that pool, but apparently we won't be massclaiming so that won't happen

let the prs do their own thing.

Is there an actual flaw with giving the vigilante a pool of two people to shoot from (so as not to have to shoot themselves, if that happens) so that the rolecop (and JK if they jail offensively) know who to steer clear of?

[Malakittens]

Welcome ^-~

[Aquanim]

...

Here's something I don't say very often...

Does a mass-claim simply solve the game now?

Town has a JK, Vigilante and (Backup) Role Cop. Since Luca was Goon the remaining scum is a Backup JK, which means the Role Cop is essentially a full Cop. By claiming and then shooting/checking/offensive JKing the unconfirmeds... is there any way for that to go wrong?

It might narrow the field, but I think mass claiming is a bad idea. All scum has to do is kill the JK, and they remove our blocking/protective power while gaining it for themselves. It's not worth the risk, especially when we're holding all the cards.

I also don't like Nether's response to this, as he conveniently leaves the JK dying out of all of his equations.

In relation to this, even if the Mafia get the JK power they cannot use it and shoot at the same time, which probably makes it worthless to them. Not sure what to make of Bulbazak apparently not knowing that.

Also, as long as the (Backup) Rolecop is alive the scum no-shooting to frame the JK target is a losing strategy for them; we just keep no-lynching and the JK keeps blocking the same target while the Rolecop racks up checks until the scum is found.

[Bulbazak]

No, but I modded town Nether in Binary Trolls, and he hasn't been stepping up his game to the level I expect from town him.

What exactly are you expecting from town!Nether?

For him to be trying to figure the game out more. For all his bluster, he really hasn't made any progress. I also expect him to be working with his townreads and trying to get the town to work together.

Now that I think about it, there was something else I wanted to discuss. Should we tell the vigilante who to shoot? Or at least, choose a pool of two people or something.

Having the rolecop or JK double up on a vigilante shot target seems exceedingly suboptimal and easily avoided.

I actually thought about this, but I'm afraid Mala would yell at me for directing night actions.

[Aquanim]

Ordinarily I'm not a fan of directing night actions either, but I consider this a special case.

[Bulbazak]

I think Acryon needs to either be shot or JK'd.

[davesaz]

Hammer intent, if it's still there in the morning my time.

[Malakittens]

I think Acryon needs to either be shot or JK'd.

Jailed or we can lynch him~

[Shinobi]

Hammer intent, if it's still there in the morning my time.

No I called it.

[Aquanim]

Personally I think it's better to direct the vigilante rather than the JK, since I'd prefer to WIFOM the scum about something that they can do something about (dodging the JK protect with their shot) rather than something they can't do anything about (getting shot).

[Piratecat]

Lol no staph

[Piratecat]

We aren't directing jack shit

[Netherspite]

@Bulbazak

I know that I underperformed in this game relative to my previous two games. There are two reasons for that: I'm having way more workload during this game than usually and sometimes am forgetting something or having wrong impression (for ex., I thought that it was TSO who had townread from Mala without seeing his scumgames, but it was Shinobi); also with all these gut and meta reads I have very little to work with. I think I should play a few more newbie games because I feel more comfortable there for this reason.

Anyway, despite I agree that I'm underperforming, I still want to be lynched (also because of the things said above - I'm too newbie for non-newbie games yet) and I still consider you suspicious.

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Regarding the claim, I claimed.
I'm VT and it's implied by me giving up.

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Don't give Bulbazak a free pass just because he lynched 1 scum and suspected another.

[Aquanim]

@Mala

1) go get your main
2) do you have an actual reason?