Newbie 1561: Puppies! (Game Over)

[toolenduso]

I'll PM him, but I won't give an official prod until he hits 48 hours.

[toolenduso]

Vote Count 1.18

Epic Warrior (3): JasonWazza, ++--, Cabd
Hostile Intent (0):
Drixx (0):
++-- (1): mallowgeno
copper223 (0):
singersigner (0):
mallowgeno (4): singersigner, Hostile Intent, Epic Warrior, Drixx
JasonWazza (0):
Cabd (0):

Not voting (1): copper223

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: December 24, 7:40 a.m. Pacific Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2014-12-24 07:40:00)

[Cabd]

What bugs me is intent to hammer was declared. Then EW makes a metric fuckton of posts without claiming. I'm pouring over the ISO now to see if anything strikes me as useful, but as of right now, no.

[singersigner]

No one asked him to claim. Do you think he should've known to do that?
(this is the second time I've asked in case you were looking for something to comment on)

[Cabd]

You directly declared intent to hammer, and I directly said claims should be done at L-1?

[Cabd]

But just to make it perfectly clear, I am asking EW to claim before deadline hits and mallow gets here to hammer most likely

[JasonWazza]

Cabd from what i can tell cooper seems to be changing to a mallow lynch

[Cabd]

Not entirely caught up but no fucking way is it a good idea to lynch blindly on day one, like... ever?

[Cabd]

At this point, I feel like I need to see more of EW actually playing without being on the edge of being hammered. At this point if he's hammered, I wouldn't be surprised by anything he might flip. The entire range of possibilities are in play and I suspect that any of the active players in this game could all make a well reasoned case for any outcome. (Be honest, Copper, you could!).

This sounds like something scum says about his buddy to vote the counterwagon.

[Cabd]

Regarding voting rules on mafiascum, we have a simple system where if nobody is hammered (put to a majority of players casting votes against them) then the day ends in a no lynh, no matter how close the votes were to achieving that lynch. This is why I advised getting a wagon to L-1 a day or two in advance, to avoid a no lynch.

[Drixx]

At this point, I feel like I need to see more of EW actually playing without being on the edge of being hammered. At this point if he's hammered, I wouldn't be surprised by anything he might flip. The entire range of possibilities are in play and I suspect that any of the active players in this game could all make a well reasoned case for any outcome. (Be honest, Copper, you could!).

This sounds like something scum says about his buddy to vote the counterwagon.

If you think so. I gave my read on him as 60% certain he was scum and said I'd do the hammer vote.

Now, instead of deflecting from the point I was making, tell me if I'm right or wrong. I suspect you could make an argument, using EW's posts, that he's probably town. I suspect you could make the opposite argument, using the same posts. The main thing to EW's credit is that he's engaging with the game and he's not dodging, and another day phase should therefore result in quite a lot more to read about him, whereas another day phase seems unlikely to result in us being in any better of a position to accurately read Mal.

So what's the theory reason that I'm wrong to prefer a policy lynch over someone who certainly has some scum tells, but responded mostly townie to pressure? (Other than the fact that lynching Mal won't give us much info since he didn't contribute much ... because I'm not sure anyone can suggest that it will be different going forward with a straight face. If we'll

never

get anything useful from lynching him, other than his flip, why is later better than now?)

[mallowgeno]

Claim:

Vanilla Townie

I understand the deadline is near. It's busy around here though and I did post Monday morning, granted my reasoning I didn't fully give.

I still think EW is playing like a newb town and not mafia.

[mallowgeno]

VOTE: Epic Warrior [/post]
Those posts are complete fluff and once again you are making no effort to engage the rest of town, just the player scumreading you.

I think this is the best lynch for today.

This is why I didn't like Copper. It seems like he's saying EW's posts were a lot of fluff which I would disagree with.

[singersigner]

Regarding voting rules on mafiascum, we have a simple system where if nobody is hammered (put to a majority of players casting votes against them) then the day ends in a no lynh, no matter how close the votes were to achieving that lynch. This is why I advised getting a wagon to L-1 a day or two in advance, to avoid a no lynch.

Which we did, and now we're here, on the cusp of changing our minds. Are you suggesting we follow through with a lynch anyway? Your L-1 vote wasn't accompanied by a request to claim, though admittedly that holds less power than my intent to hammer. I just didn't care about a claim over reads because I was still holding out for a mallow wagon. I'm not going to needlessly request a claim only to potentially move to another wagon and run up another claim. Seems silly.

In any case, I wasn't arguing that lynching blindly was a good thing, I was arguing that you seem unnecessarily upset over something that you had a part in yet are not taking responsibility for, i.e. his lack of claim. Which seems more likely from his lack of claim, that he's scum covering something up, or he's town that has no role to protect?

[singersigner]

@mallow...two parting reads is what you're leaving us with? Do you feel good about that?

[Hostile Intent]

Why did he claim in blue?

Drixx, is your role title written in blue?

Also, he did that because he's full of shit.

[singersigner]

I mean...are you trying to trap him, or something? The sample role PMs are in the OPs, and none of which are blue, so...what exactly is the point in questioning that?

[Hostile Intent]

Oh, I forgot. Its not to trap anyone, I was legitimately weirded out because mine isn't blue.

Is that something I shouldn't ask? My bad.

[singersigner]

I mean, it is pretty weird to claim in a color, but I might've thought it was more weird to claim in green cuz ZOMGZ TRYING TO HARD.

I dunno, I'm more irritated that if I'm wrong, he still gave us nothing, which kind of only makes me feel better about where I'm at?

[copper223]

So now we are discussing the color of the claim?

@Singer
A bit late to be having second thoughts on something I already mentioned before Mallw actually claimed, don't you think?

[copper223]

Whatever now that he claimed VT without giving anything useful in his posts I see no reason not to go ahead.

VOTE: Mallow Geno

[Drixx]

So now we are discussing the color of the claim?

@Singer
A bit late to be having second thoughts on something I already mentioned before Mallw actually claimed, don't you think?

If Mal made the claim thinking that color was important, and didn't click on the spoiler button, it could be meaningful. Any potential utility from the question is gone since the following posts after the question gave Mal a road map for how he should address it, if he bothers to drop in again.

Why did he claim in blue?

Drixx, is your role title written in blue?

Also, he did that because he's full of shit.

No it's not, for what it's worth. I am inclined to agree with your last sentence. How on earth could he read the posts since his last fly by and conclude that all he should do is put out a claim and a weak attack on Copper, and then go back to lurking? Unless someone can make a really convincing argument that there's some reason we can't afford to let EW have another day, even for those more sure than me that he's scum, I'm pretty determined to just send Mal off to the holidays at this point. I cannot imagine there's ever going to be anything worthwhile entering the game from him. Maybe he's busy like he says, or whatever ... but I recall reading in the basic stuff the site asks all new people to read that I'm responsible to be active in the games I play. Once I'm beyond the first few games, I can play as many as I like, but I'm obligated to take them seriously. Mal is in an SE slot, and as I understand it, signing up to SE is comitting to be active and help new players, yeah? I don't think Mal is really helping me learn much at all about how mafia is played here. (Unless you want to argue that he's teaching me that lurking is bad, but I would say that's a matter of established theory and beyond argument).

[toolenduso]

Vote Count 1.19

Epic Warrior (3): JasonWazza, ++--, Cabd
Hostile Intent (0):
Drixx (0):
++-- (1): mallowgeno
copper223 (0):
singersigner (0):
mallowgeno (5): singersigner, Hostile Intent, Epic Warrior, Drixx, copper223 (LYNCH)
JasonWazza (0):
Cabd (0):

Not voting (0):

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: December 24, 7:40 a.m. Pacific Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2014-12-24 07:40:00)

[toolenduso]

mallowgeno has been lynched! He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Night 1 begins now.

Deadline: December 26, 9:35 p.m. Pacific Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2014-12-26 21:35:00)

[toolenduso]

Please note: Due the holiday, I am extending the deadline by 24 hours.

The new deadline is: December 26, 9:35 p.m. Pacific Time.

The countdown has been reset.