Newbie 1561: Puppies! (Game Over)

[Hostile Intent]

VOTE: Epic Warrior

We're done here. L-1.

[toolenduso]

Vote Count 2.06

Epic Warrior (3): copper223, Drixx, Hostile Intent
Hostile Intent (1): ++--
Drixx (0):
++-- (0):
copper223 (1): Epic Warrior
singersigner (0):
JasonWazza (0):

Not voting (2): singersigner, JasonWazza

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: Jan. 9 at 9:35 p.m. Pacific Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-01-09 21:35:00)

[copper223]

@mod please prod Jason Wazza

[copper223]

@EW
So why were you in such a hurry to vote me off?

[++--]

@Hostile Intent
What made you suddenly see EW as scum?

[copper223]

UNVOTE:
Actually let's play it safe here because some of what ++--, Drixx and HI are saying about 1v1's behind which scum can hide, EW mailing it in and Jason and Singer being unreasonably absent is resonating.

My confidence on Jason just got shredded after that shit readlist, and allowing a player to lurk a whole day after that by potentially hammering EW early is just strategically unsound no matter my personal belief that EW is scum here.

I also have the same problem, but to a lesser degree with Singer, there is very little scumhunting from you today, I want your thoughts on the game.

[Epic Warrior]

@EW
So why were you in such a hurry to vote me off?

What? Was I? And does that "so" imply new information?


@All
I see you have yet to answer my question in 674.

@copper
When HI votes me I see she gets away with a crap/nonexistent reason, but when I vote you based on a case, I have to explain?

[copper223]

@EW
Yes, you just told me you can see me going after you as town given how the game has played out, so my supposed tunnel on you is not a good reason alone for calling me mafia, by your own logic.

This is not about HI, who may well be scum too, it's about you, stop deflecting the question and explain your reasoning.

[Hostile Intent]

@Hostile Intent
What made you suddenly see EW as scum?

The post I asked Drixx about (565?) pinged me as soon as I read it, which made me go back and realize the case on him makes more sense than I was giving it credit for. I understand that I'll probably have to go before Drixx tomorrow and I'm okay with that, but my confidence in that team is very high right now.

If it ends up being singer/Wazza we're fucked.

[singersigner]

AAAHHH. Spent this whole weekend drinking and not paying much attention to mafia. I'll have time to actually catch up on the last few pages tomorrow, sorry.

[toolenduso]

Prodding JasonWazza.

[JasonWazza]

This is a post.

I did gloss (sort of) my reasoning for thinking EW doesn't have a partner is i don't see the interactions with people who might want the shot as S/S and with people who wouldn't consider the shot i don't see the interactions of S/S.

It could be that he was a PR for the shot, i honestly don't really believe that.

[copper223]

Basing the reason for clearing a player you were scumreading for the entirety of yesterday on the night kill and a set of highly WIFOM assumptions about associative pairs that make very little sense, and using it to call me likely scum at a very opportunistic moment for scum to do so, combined with lurking

on purpose

, since otherwise you would have just tabbed out after the last warning, is raising every possible alarm I can think of.

Another very good reason to kill Cabd if you are Jason or Jason and Singer is that in your mind you have just eliminated every experienced player in the game.

Not only that, but when warned you come back and your main focus is to justify yourself more (lamely) when your supposed scumread is getting ready to lynch the guy you said is town? No no, this doesn't make sense.

VOTE: Jason

The sad thing is if this is true EW is more likely to be town, and fuck me I'd have never seen a worse townie in this case.

[++--]

@JasonWazza

if you're basically refusing to play (because that's what you're doing), why're you not asking for a replacement, why do you instead do these prod dodges and shit like that?!

[JasonWazza]

@JasonWazza

if you're basically refusing to play (because that's what you're doing), why're you not asking for a replacement, why do you instead do these prod dodges and shit like that?!

Refusing to play?

Call me crazy but that's not at all what i'm doing.

[Hostile Intent]

You've produced absolutely nothing all of D2. Nothing.

[Drixx]

If you consider what you've been doing this day phase (which is A WEEK LONG ALREADY) playing, then perhaps you need to re-evaluate some things.

You are hard core lurking and prod dodging so much it looks like an intentional attempt to lurk your way to the end. If you are town, you have contributed a gigantic bucket of nothing to help your team, and if you are scum, your teammate probably want to figure out a way to bus you without anyone realizing he's Jerome or noticing when the wheels make a sound as they roll over you.

[singersigner]

vote: JasonWazza

I think copper and Drixx is town v town. Anyone else can die today. Still rereading "everything", but figured I'd vote while I'm doing that so y'all know where I'm at.

[JasonWazza]

Replace out

I'm at the point where i'm fully aware that i'm not actually going to have time to catch up, sorry about this guys.

[toolenduso]

Searching for a replacement for JasonWazza.

[copper223]

UNVOTE:
waiting for the rest of Singer's re-read.

[Hostile Intent]

That replace out is scummy as scummy can be, no?

[singersigner]

VCA on cabd:

He was consistently pressuring three people yesterday: Jason, Drixx (or Paul, same slot), and finally EW. None were ultimately lynched, and it would probably be assumed that EW would be the next lynch anyway considering he was the next big wagon. That points to EW not being as threatened by cabd, or at least would probably be paired with someone else who

was

threatened by cabd. Regardless of getting a PR vibe from him, he was also the IC which means newer players might be threatened by him. With his inactivity, and focused pressure all of D1, I can't imagine anyone experienced would kill him if he was wrong (pointing to Jason).

Cabd's ISO analysis:

Scratch what I said about Jason as his more serious vote/pressure fell on Paul (Drixx). This in combination with Drixx attacking one of the most universally town-read players in the game today, and Cabd's final declaration of an EW/Drixx partnership is actually making me rethink that pairing.

Drixx's ISO analysis:

So I'm actually becoming more engaged in this game (believe it or not), and now that I'm starting to piece it together as a whole instead of reading things bit by bit when I'm probably drunk, it looks like Drixx has a habit of latching on to the little things (like my miswording at the beginning of the game, or copper's overlooking of a potential setup) and pushing them as epic-ly large things. I tend to get caught up in page long arguments and dismiss them as town v town (since most of the time it is), so I'm withholding judgement on that for now. The middle of your ISO shows more reasoning and logic justifying your change of heart, though, so I'm wondering if you backed off of your pressure on me because it didn't gain traction, or if you found something more "scummy" in HI to latch on to...

unvote

because I forgot how town I actually thought Jason was

The point is...I just don't see how Cabd dies over copper unless copper was scum, copper was wrong, or Cabd was right.

[singersigner]

That replace out is scummy as scummy can be, no?

Are you suggesting a strategic replacing out just so he would potentially not lose the game?

[copper223]

We have a genuine read from Cabd stating that Jason's pride in his scumgame from his early posting rings true and by the way he gives the rest of the read it looks like direct meta to me, if you have pride in your scum game you do not replace out like this (it's kind of a douche move anyway) so I think the slot is town.

@Singer
My analysis is similar, Drixx scum kills Cabd over me, HI scum also kills Cabd over me, finally if EW is not scum I can see a lot of teams letting me live.