Mafia 66: Freelancer - Game over!


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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:02 am

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YogurtBandit wrote:
YogurtBandit wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why would a no lynch be bad in this situation? I would rather no lynch than lynch randomly. If we no lynch, we lose no one. If we lynch randomly, we most likely lose a townie. Having no one die is better than having a townie die. That's why we need to make an informed lynch instead of randomly wagoning, because that's not going to help us.
Yes, but if we Lynch a Townie, and All 3 Sk's make sucsessful kills, We only have 5 Townies left..
EBWOP: I forgot we have 15 pro town, so We would have 11 left.
Are you trying to Argue for or Against MoS? I think the SK's will want to take out townies untill our numbers are less then start trying to lynch SK's.
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:04 am

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YagamiLight wrote:
YogurtBandit wrote:
YogurtBandit wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why would a no lynch be bad in this situation? I would rather no lynch than lynch randomly. If we no lynch, we lose no one. If we lynch randomly, we most likely lose a townie. Having no one die is better than having a townie die. That's why we need to make an informed lynch instead of randomly wagoning, because that's not going to help us.
Yes, but if we Lynch a Townie, and All 3 Sk's make sucsessful kills, We only have 5 Townies left..
EBWOP: I forgot we have 15 pro town, so We would have 11 left.
Are you trying to Argue for or Against MoS? I think the SK's will want to take out townies untill our numbers are less then start trying to lynch SK's.
I think you're wrong.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:08 am

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Well, if they are the only SK too soon, then it gives town more turns to try and find them, because of less kills at night, where if they wait they can take more of the town out then lynch try to lynch the SK's near the end.
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:04 am

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Listen, Lowell has 6 votes by last check, I think that's the place to go for our Day 1 lynch. Call me a bandwagon starter or whatever you want but in this game all the regular rules of mafia seem to be thrown out the window. I'm satisfied to take out Lowell and get going Day 2
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:08 am

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unvote


Don't remember voting Lowell
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:10 am

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Alright COD, who deserves your vote? The majority is on the Lowell wagon right now, what makes you jump off? If we do a "no lynch" we are losing 3 townies (more than likely) and gaining zero knowledge. Lowell hasn't done anything in this game, but obviously isn't scummy in your eyes, who is and why?
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:13 am

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The majority I made it 3 before I unvoted. Care to check
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:22 am

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Wait, what? Why is anyone voting me? Can I get a reason?
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:23 am

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Heck knows. I didn't even know I was lol. According to Ryan you have 6 votes aswell - he seems to have a reading retention problem.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:24 am

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theopor_COD wrote:The majority I made it 3 before I unvoted. Care to check
Hmmm, guess my count was off, I thought that was still 4 on Lowell. You still didn't answer my question, since you unvoted who deserves your vote right now?
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:27 am

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To be honest I'm not sure. Rand struck me as scummiest during my initial re-read.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:30 am

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theopor_COD wrote:reading retention problem.
Actually I mistook Lowell's and Jordan's votes, but it did work to get Lowell out of hiding didn't it? :D
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:56 am

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It sure did.

Jordan replaced BM however I think he's likely town. I'd happily see Rand lynched to be honest . . .

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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:10 am

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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:25 am

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theopor_COD wrote:It sure did.

Jordan replaced BM however I think he's likely town. I'd happily see Rand lynched to be honest . . .

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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:32 am

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Why?

Don't like this post. You like the case on Ryan yet MoS main case against him is the issue between BM and Ryan. Yet you vote BM.
Rand Althor wrote:MoS has built a good case on Ryan. I've been considering which of the two to vote for. Frankly BM's recent actions have condemned himself with his recent actions.
Vote:BM

Fos:Ryan
Plus I'm not feeling the wagons on Jordan and Ryan.
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:49 am

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ChannelDelibird wrote:I am back now, for real. I will read up and post within the next couple of days.
Remember our Friday deadline though
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:53 am

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theopor_COD wrote:Why?

Don't like this post. You like the case on Ryan yet MoS main case against him is the issue between BM and Ryan. Yet you vote BM.
Rand Althor wrote:MoS has built a good case on Ryan. I've been considering which of the two to vote for. Frankly BM's recent actions have condemned himself with his recent actions.
Vote:BM

Fos:Ryan
Plus I'm not feeling the wagons on Jordan and Ryan.
BM voted himself and I feel that people who vote themselves need to die because it's a desperate pity move.
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:59 am

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So, you expect me to try and explain my predecessors actions?
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:00 am

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I don't entirely disagree with that Rand, people who vote themselves are looking for a pitty party, and I am NOT a fan of anti town moves, which if you are a townie and you are voting yourself, you are ANTI TOWN
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:01 am

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No, I don't. I don't think most people can account for their predicessors actions.
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:15 am

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No they can't, agreed. But I've been in a few games with people who vote themselves, idiots. :-)
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:26 am

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ButteBlues wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why would a no lynch be bad in this situation? I would rather no lynch than lynch randomly. If we no lynch, we lose no one. If we lynch randomly, we most likely lose a townie. Having no one die is better than having a townie die. That's why we need to make an informed lynch instead of randomly wagoning, because that's not going to help us.
A random lynch has been and always will be better than a no lynch. This is basic friggin theory. You should know better. In fact, I'm damned sure that any player who's been here more than a week knows this.

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No lynch'ing in this game is a death wish. I'm confident that any player worth their salt knows this. So either you've got to be a complete noob at mafia or you're scum. Plain as that.
Ah, yes. Basic game theory. However, you forget the fact that this game does not apply to basic game theory. Not to mention the fact that there are numerous situations where no lynch is better than a random lynch. For example, when you get down to a point in the game where there is only 1 kill a night, and there are 10 or less people alive, at an even number, you should always no lynch to get it to an odd number of people. This is
basic friggin theory
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Anyways, the normal rules do not apply to this game. This is not
mafia
per se. There is no informed minority. We have an uninformed majority against and uninformed minority. There is no advanatage to the SKs, because they only know their role, and no one else's. This setup would be slightly more balanced if each SK had a list of a few people that were guaranteed to be protown, just to help them make lynch and NK decisions. But that's beside the point. Sure, anyone who's played more than a week knows that a random lynch is better than a no lynch. However, anyone that's played more than 2 weeks should know that no game theory applies in 100% of all situations, and that one should always be willing to question game theory when it seems unsound.
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:32 am

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MoS: I don't disagree with your thought process. This game unfortunately is NOT a good one for newbies (especially town newbies) Here a random lynch isn't a terrible thing, the SK can't kill eachother only us townies. Either we choose somebody to die before Friday or we risk losing 3 townies with no SK's dying after Day 1. It's a real crapshoot right now but either we get some people on board or have "no lynch" chosen for us (by the mod)
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:49 am

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We either lose 4 townies to a random lynch + kills, or we lose 3 townies by no lynching. I'd rather kill an SK by an informed lynch.
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