Newbie 1561: Puppies! (Game Over)

[toolenduso]

Vote Count 2.08

Epic Warrior (2): Drixx, copper223
Hostile Intent (1): ++--
Drixx (0):
++-- (0):
copper223 (1): Epic Warrior
singersigner (1): Boonskiies
Boonskiies (0):

Not voting (2): singersigner, Hostile Intent

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: Jan. 9 at 9:35 p.m. Pacific Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-01-09 21:35:00)

[Boonskiies]

VCA on cabd:

He was consistently pressuring three people yesterday: Jason, Drixx (or Paul, same slot), and finally EW. None were ultimately lynched, and it would probably be assumed that EW would be the next lynch anyway considering he was the next big wagon. That points to EW not being as threatened by cabd, or at least would probably be paired with someone else who

was

threatened by cabd.

Regardless of getting a PR vibe from him

, he was also the IC which means newer players might be threatened by him. With his inactivity, and focused pressure all of D1,

I can't imagine anyone experienced would kill him if he was wrong

(pointing to Jason).

Cabd's ISO analysis:

Scratch what I said about Jason as his more serious vote/pressure fell on Paul (Drixx). This in combination with Drixx attacking one of the most universally town-read players in the game today, and

Cabd's final declaration of an EW/Drixx partnership is actually making me rethink that pairing.

Drixx's ISO analysis:

So I'm actually becoming more engaged in this game (believe it or not), and now that I'm starting to piece it together as a whole instead of reading things bit by bit when I'm probably drunk, it looks like Drixx has a habit of latching on to the little things (like my miswording at the beginning of the game, or copper's overlooking of a potential setup) and pushing them as epic-ly large things. I tend to get caught up in page long arguments and dismiss them as town v town (since most of the time it is), so I'm withholding judgement on that for now. The middle of your ISO shows more reasoning and logic justifying your change of heart, though, so I'm wondering if you backed off of your pressure on me because it didn't gain traction, or if you found something more "scummy" in HI to latch on to...

unvote

because I forgot how town I actually thought Jason was

The point is...

I just don't see how Cabd dies over copper unless copper was scum, copper was wrong, or Cabd was right.

1: PR vibe, there is reason to kill in that alone. Also, Drixx, my other scum read was a main suspect of Cabd. Two reasons. Third, you bringing up the "oh who wood keel Cabd? I dunno nawt meeee!!!"

2: EW/Drixx, you are stating that you see the potential of both. You are bussing a buddy, voting a townie. Classic. Why vote EW over Drixx then, Singer?

3:Yawn, WIFOM some more.

[Boonskiies]

UNVOTE: Epic Warrior

Thank you, Hostile.

VOTE: Epic Warrior

What was the point in your stating intent to hammer and waiting if you were just going to vote as soon as he got off of L-1? Positioning for VCA?

[copper223]

The point was to give him time to reply and claim before hammering.

[Boonskiies]

if EW was confirmed town, who would you say was scummy?

[Boonskiies]

*is scum

[copper223]

You want to sell me the idea it's almost impossible in this game to lynch newbtown lynchbait EW when scum had no interest in keeping him alive whatsoever and every opportunity to kill him off blaming me for it or to kill me off when someone who is town turned around on me for tunnelling him, I say it is far far far more likely that all this is because he is scum.

[copper223]

@Boon
Pretty much your scumreads with Drixx and Singer reversed (without knowing my alignment, me for sure).

[Boonskiies]

What was your impression of Singer saying I had a strong start but might be trying to trap Cabd because I asked him for a fairly specific meta?

Sorry I never did answer this question so I will do it now.

My impression of that would be that she was impressed with how you started (take it as the compliment it looks to be intended as) as for you trying to trap Cabd I would say she was just fishing for a reaction so she can use it as a gauge for reading you later (no I don't think she was trying to scum read you just looking for a baseline from which to go from)

On top of everything, I believe this was epic new scum talking good about his scum partner. He was defending her really hard. New scum usually do stuff like this. :/ Singer/Drixx scum team. =/

[singersigner]

Lol

[singersigner]

So why exactly are you trying so hard to lynch me instead of your common scumread with copper?

Is it because I was just pressuring your slot and you got a little scurred?

[Boonskiies]

Also, I'm going to go out of my way, because I believe it's pretty obvious that I'm town, and I'm

most likely

going to be killed toNight.

Doctor, if you exist, protect me toNight.

This helps us figure out a few things:
1. If I die, there is no doctor this game (or they were successfully RB'd), and scum (who already know the setup due to the cop flip) cannot fake claim doctor.
2. If someone else is shot, we know that there

is

a doctor in this game because scum will have taken the safe route and tried to shoot someone other than me. (This doesn't clear me as not being scum, but come on now...)
3. If I don't die, and there is no kill, we know there's a doctor who was unsuccessfully roleblocked.

[Boonskiies]

Were you pressuring my slot? I didn't notice. Nah, you just happened to post while I was posting it. I find you scummier than Drixx, and I see it relating back to you. If you were confirmed towny, I would be null on Drixx.

[singersigner]

...

...................

Looooooooooooooooooooooool.

[copper223]

@Singer
Do you think Boon is scum?

[singersigner]

It's unreal how I feel about him right now. I unvoted because I forgot why I town-read Jason until I ISOed him again, and his replace out was pretty null. But like...I still have no idea why he's saying I'm scum? I don't see any scum motivation for defending EW so strongly other than being scum buddies, but I don't see town motivation in his reads.

The fact that he thinks he's the towniest person here is pretty laughable right now. There's no fucking way scum would target his slot over yours or a null spot like ++--.

But like...I guess how would I know?

[Boonskiies]

she's waiting to see how others feel about my slot so she doesn't seem scummy.

[singersigner]

Lol, I have no interest in you today.

I'm talking about yesterday when EW was at L-1, before HI and Singer built a counterwagon on Mallow.

it's day 1. Being at the right place for vote analysis is key. Scum doesn't want to hammer or be seen near the end of a town mislynch. HI moved it over, so in a way to seem town, Singer switched over.

You didn't respond to this, though, and I'd like you to.

[singersigner]

Er, sorry, the fact that I was always voting mallow, and explicitly stated that I wasn't going to hammer EW*

[Boonskiies]

singer was in a bad place on he vote analysis, and probably thought EW was going down, and didn't want to be on the wagon. You were fine with the second one because it meant you could use it to go after EW.

[singersigner]

The second one?

[Boonskiies]

day 1 wagons. a lot are both town. you were picking a side. Stronger you stick to that side, more town cred you would get.

[Boonskiies]

second wagon

[singersigner]

I...what are you talking about? HI voted mallow after me so how did I follow him onto the wagon?

[Drixx]

Wow. Could we have gotten a more diametrically opposed replacement?

@Boonskiies - the only real problem I have with your "analysis" of me is the entire thing. According to you, I've posted tons of fluff, and otherwise only gone for low risk easy votes. Does anyone else feel that way? I've given actual analysis on every slot in the game, including building cases against two different people that everyone else was town reading. That's totally fluff and playing it safe?

I had an early scum read on Jason, and he went pretty quiet. The amount of pure bullshit that Boonskiies is throwing up sure seems like an attempt to totally obliterate whatever we were reading on his slot before he arrived. I know I had a lot to say when I got into the game, but at least I had the decency to actually give reasons and motivate my cases instead of just throwing out a shitload of bullshit FoS to try and appear to be actively scumhunting.

Re-evaluating Jason/EW interactions as a possible team.


@Singer - Asking Boonskiies what he's talking about seems roughly as useful as asking a cat not to chase a laser pointer light.