Newbie 1561: Puppies! (Game Over)

[copper223]

@Drixx
That's a quality post there, I can tell you HI WK'ed newbscum last game as well, as town (seems to me he may have a bias in wking new players regardless) and another player BBT said HI usually ignores his scumpartners and made a meta case on him about that so this would be a departure, although as I said if EW is scum all bets are off here cause his partner likely had to save him D1.

I played with Boon in mini 1623 where he was scum and WK'ed town Flubber D1 which ironically got him lynched, he claimed in the game his town is about appearing VI so i can only assume logical arguments are not his strength, I saw no trace of this active (although very illogical to me) scumhunting in the other game so I think it is likely he genuinely believes EW is neebtown.

[copper223]

@HI

I'm pretty sure there being three days left means a compromise has to bend made.

If ++-- is fine with EW (he said he saw you and him as equally likely) and Singer is willing to hammer him there need not be, why are you trying so hard to move it from EW again?

[Hostile Intent]

I'm pointing out the obvious. Did you forget singer declared she wasn't hammering EW yesterday?

I've no problem hammering EW so Idk what you're getting at there.

I actually didn't remember that about ++-- so there's that, too.

[copper223]

@HI
No, I remember, but Singer also put EW in hammer range just before Boon replaced in so I have reason to believe she may have changed her mind in the mean time.

That's good to know, what I'd like more is your best guess for the scummiest player at the moment and a vote on that guy, ++-- and Drixx have a point about your play looking opportunistic especially based on the way you used your vote today.

[Boonskiies]

To be fair, copper, that was my 2nd scum game out of two total scum game. I was still testing the waters on what my style was. That shouldn't be used to defend me or not.

[copper223]

@Boon
That's my direct meta on you. I'm more interested in your town game, were you saying the truth there about being VI as town?

[Hostile Intent]

I'm not voting for appeasement.

[copper223]

who are you scumreading?

[Hostile Intent]

Top to bottom list for me: EW/copper/Drixx, singer, Boon, ++--

First three are semi-interchangeable for ~reasons~

[Boonskiies]

Yeah, a lot of people think of me as a VI; a lot of people know I'm a much better player than I let off. I've never gotten NK'd because scum thinks they can manipulate/get me mislynched, which I usually don't get lynched very often. Day 3/day 4 I start to shine, and if I somehow don't make it, it's probably good to analyze how my interactions were with people, and who reacted to me, even if I was wrong about my reads. There's a method to my madness, it just takes me a bit to actually explain it. I learned from playing with BBmolla, I know him in real life, we're close, and he doesn't think I'm a huge troll. I just come off as one.

[toolenduso]

Vote Count 2.10

Epic Warrior (2): Drixx, copper223
Hostile Intent (1): ++--
Drixx (0):
++-- (0):
copper223 (1): Epic Warrior
singersigner (1): Boonskiies
Boonskiies (0):

Not voting (2): singersigner, Hostile Intent

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: Jan. 9 at 9:35 p.m. Pacific Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-01-09 21:35:00)

[Hostile Intent]

Make that Boon/++-- because they're both town, period.

[Boonskiies]

I'm pretty much epic POE'ing this game, also.

[copper223]

Sounds town to me as well, but I think you have the wrong read on EW.

[Boonskiies]

I could be, but if I am right, we lynch Singer tomorrow.

[Boonskiies]

If epic flips scum, I'll have to reevaluate my read on Hostile.

[Hostile Intent]

I'm completely fine not going to lylo if Epic flips scum.

[copper223]

@Boon
A concise case on why Singer is scum for you would help.

[singersigner]

Ahhhhh. My upstairs bathroom flooded through the ceiling to my downstairs bathroom and I've been dealing with that. Sorry for my absence today. It should be fixed tomorrow and at the very least, I'll have to vacate the house for a few hours and can catchup at Starbucks.

I did read through three of Boon's games last night (two town, one scum), and as far as I can tell, he's just trolly in general (more as scum than town). I didn't exactly get a sense of aggressiveness from him in general, even in his scum game, so I'm not sure how he thought he accrued this level of aggressiveness when he thinks he's right. I dunno, I just don't see it alignment indicative except that it seems unsubstantiated that he gets tunnel-visioned in any scenario. Could you point me specifically to where you've done this as town, regardless of if you've been right or not?

[copper223]

@Singer
That sucks, good luck with getting it fixed.

[Boonskiies]

I don't usually get aggressive.

[++--]

I still would prefer a HI lynch over an EW lynch, because:

- while having multiple different actions pointing to EW being scum (that is, lurking when not attacked, and generally useless posts), he had some posts pointing towards him being newbtown (especially the 'you play to survive' ones)... overall, he still is scummy, but way less scummy than the person who...
- posted when the Drixx-copper debate occured, BUT not relating to it, and basically making them FoS eachother; WKed EW, which, as I have explained, is useful for HI_scum in both of the cases (EW_scum, EW_town), and I don't really see a THAT hardcore WK coming from a townie
- and finally, I'd say that a HI flip would be more useful than an EW flip, because, while I was wrong about my potential scumteams in #649 as copper pointed out in the next post, I still think that the fact that another person had a wagon on gives more ideas about potential scum... and, also, HI is scummier than EW (just before someone would reply "let's lynch [someone else] because that also adds another wagon".

That being said, if I can't manage to convince people about HI, I'm okay with an EW lynch, too.

[copper223]

Fair enough, like with what Boon posted I think 821 is pretty townie from ++--

@Singer/Epic
Please give us your pov's as soon as possible.

[Hostile Intent]

Two days left.

I'll hammer Epic as soon as he's put to L-1. We don't have time for this shit anymore.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Epic Warrior

Incoming my death by NK.
I gotta know.