LoL eSports Discussion

[quadz08]

Watching Calitrlolz stream - he's playing top Gragas. PRETTY ENTERTAINING. KICKING SAINTVICIOUS' TEETH IN. PRETTY AWESOME.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hey guys.

I'm a writer for esportsexpress, a satire site for starcraft2/dota2/league. Some of you might have read our articles before. Us writers put in a pretty hefty amount of time into our articles, but not as much as we'd like because it's all volunteer work.

We're putting together a kickstarter that will launch in 2 weeks / whenever I defrost from Chicago winter. In the leadup to that kickstarter we'll be increasing our quantity of articles to give you a taste of what it would be like if we were full-time. That begins today with our 2014 league of legends awards.

Keep an eye out for us!

[quadz08]

Team Liquid officially picking up Curse.

Iiiiinteresting.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Getting Korea on riot stream is pretty cewl as well

[AGar]

Team Liquid officially picking up Curse.

Iiiiinteresting.

Fuuuuuuuuuck. What do?!?!?!

[quadz08]

?

[zoraster]

What do he said! what do!?

[quadz08]

WHAT DOOOO

[AGar]

TL gotta be makin' my decisions difficult. Bastards.

[quadz08]

what decision, exactly

[Voidedmafia]

Also, we got ourselves a NA gauntlet now. What else are we gonna copy from Korea?

[zoraster]

because it kind of sucks when someone just says something like that and then doesn't explain: http://na.lolesports.com/articles/champ ... cs-changes

[BROseidon]

New format is better.

No more fucking superweeks

[AGar]

what decision, exactly

Who to root for. It had been very easy to just ride the TSM train before TL got involved. >_>

[Iecerint]

I'm still kind of mourning Voyboy leaving Curse. It was super obvious for me before that.

I do enjoy Piglet's stream, though, somehow, even though he doesn't say anything. He makes sassy facial expressions.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

How can anyone root for Tsm? They're just a team with good solo queue players but no strategy. Go C9

[GreyICE]

Hey guys.

I'm a writer for esportsexpress, a satire site for starcraft2/dota2/league. Some of you might have read our articles before. Us writers put in a pretty hefty amount of time into our articles, but not as much as we'd like because it's all volunteer work.

We're putting together a kickstarter that will launch in 2 weeks / whenever I defrost from Chicago winter. In the leadup to that kickstarter we'll be increasing our quantity of articles to give you a taste of what it would be like if we were full-time. That begins today with our 2014 league of legends awards.

Keep an eye out for us!

'kay, how come Richard Lewis' version was funnier and more informative?

You want me to pay you money? Look at this paragraph:

With Riot unable to find a rule worded vaguely enough to issue a penalty, CLG returned from boot camp to face a Curse team—who weren't without their own problems. With David “Cop” Robertson taking a break from his second job as the visual representation for the word “average” in the dictionary, as well as a faded, and jaded, star in the form of Joedat "Voyboy" Esfahani, this was meant to be a game that CLG could win comfortably. Instead, they didn’t show up. And an uninspired performance on the first map was as good as it got, spiraling into a nightmare of shame and ridicule.

Write something half that good and I'll consider it. Richard Lewis may be a prick, but he's one whose got more talent than all of E-Sex's writing team combined. And you're not going to get there by doing shit like giving the Koreans an award for "best Koreans in StarCraft". That's not even unfunny. If it were even attempting to be humor it might be bad enough to rise to the level of unfunny.

[zoraster]

Wow. Even for you, that's low GI.

[Iecerint]

It's really twisted that Doublelift was trying to recruit ZionSpartan in September. Poor Seraph.

[GreyICE]

Wow. Even for you, that's low GI.

Da fuq? You taking stupid pills again, Zor? Write for free on a website or a forum or whatever, and I'm not going to criticize. Free is free, good on you. Ask me for money, and that's a different story.

Are you one of those people who flips out when someone offers an Amazon review that's under 4 stars? Some things are good, some things are less good. If someone is looking to make a living off writing, they need to know the difference. It's far meaner to pat them on the head and say "that's nice" rather than taking the time to give an honest review. Making a reward for "Best Koreans in Korea" is just terrible. There's no two ways about that.

[animorpherv1]

Da fuq? You taking stupid pills again, Zor?

I hope you enjoy your ban.

[GreyICE]

Baiting me? I'd say "even for you, that's low" Ani.

But to be honest, there's no circumstances where someone could accurately make that statement.

[quadz08]

It's just rude, Grey - the guy is a member of the community, you don't have to be a dick about the products of what he does for a living.

[zoraster]

First of all, he hasn't asked you for money yet, just announced that they'll be taking donations via kickstarter in the future. Unless I am very much mistaken, it's still free, just as the Smithsonian, Wikipedia, etc. are free. Donations help keep those things alive, but you aren't required to pay. It's not like I was shaken down for money when I clicked on that link.

Second, there is a difference between someone on our community coming here and saying, "hey I've been doing this thing, and we're excited about taking this thing to the next level" and an amazon site where reviews are common, expected and helpful. For one thing, reviews on Amazon are designed to help other consumers. Your comments here are ostensibly directed at the creator himself. And that might be more okay if not for...

Third, your comments weren't designed in any way to be constructive. They're essentially "write better, jackass." It's indicative of the some of the worst sort of internet activity -- lurking in the shadows to pounce on someone who is trying to create something -- even if it is kind of low-brow league of legends humor. It's not designed to make orc's site

better

, it's designed to make orc feel worse.

[GreyICE]

What should I do, Quadz? He specifically said the article was supposed to be a sample of the quality we should expect if they went full time. It was... uninspiring. If I were him, I would not launch a kickstarter with that as the sample article. Am I saying that his writing is the rhetorical equivalent of colon cancer? No. I'm saying that jokes

need to be jokes

. You can't just reference a bunch of memes and call it a day. I guess I could just kind of ignore it, which would be the polite thing, but I don't think that would explain exactly why I have no intention of donating on Kickstarter based on the quality of the article posted. Given the amount of money I've spent on Kicks (probably around $1,000 at this point), feedback from me is extremely relevant feedback. I'm the target audience. I like esports, spend money on kickstarters, and back things I want to see continue. The pitch was poor. Period.

PEdit: Actually Zor, I said that you need jokes to have a punchline. You can't just say "Remember when Riot promised a replay system and didn't release it?"

cue laughtrack

. Humor needs to have zing to it. It needs to have a bite of some kind, it needs incongruity, it needs to be more than just a collection of references (DAE know Koreans are good at E-Sports?). I linked to an article that did what his article wanted to do - and did it extremely well. That is exactly the definition of constructive criticism.

Also, I didn't call him a jackass, and I truly resent the statement (not even implication - it's just a straight statement) that I did. Even if I considered someone a miserable writer incapable of stringing three words together (and if I really thought someone that, I'd offer no feedback at all), that wouldn't make them a jackass. Someone who invents imaginary motives to attack other people and sticks words in their mouth because of a personal grudge, that might be a jackass.