Mini 1633 ~ Non-normal Mafias Mafia OVER!!!

[Om of the Nom]

i like to feel like i am doing a good job at presenting myself
especially in games that arent larges because people are way more critical of my style outside of them
which is majorly shitty imo

[eyestott]

1 i never said it was a big factor of my reads
2 it is a factor but it is overtaken by actual play of the person
3 this is not early game there is more to go off than just compliments and insults to sway me
4 i dont like to not be read as town
5 that is literally one of the things i hate having happen the most as town
6 literally in any game of mine if im being attacked i fucking go at it
7 idc if you even call it self meta its true as heck
8 i like to be thought of as obvious town no matter what
9 being right is only just behind in priority

1: You did say "i favour people who call me town more and vice versa for scum", and i inferred that it was a big factor, yeah, you never said it was a big one.
2: Okay, sure.
3: Well, yeah.
4: No one does.
5: Yeah, everyone does.
6: I've noticed, but I'm trying to see whether this is something alignment indicative.
7: Okiedokie
8: Even if it costs you the game? Do you see that that isnt exactly pro-town?
9: Wait wait wait, youd rather be townread than read town?

i like to feel like i am doing a good job at presenting myself
especially in games that arent larges because people are way more critical of my style outside of them
which is majorly shitty imo

I cant comment on that.

[Om of the Nom]

only just behind
being townread provides to me a nice gamestate where i can fully utilise my skills without havign to worry about defending myself
do u get me
its not like i dont care about being right
because i definitely and most assuredly do
i just dont expect to be infallible in reads
therefore i put a little less weight in perfecting myself in that front
my method of scumhunting is never going to be 100% right all the time anyway
but it works for me

[Om of the Nom]

my weakness in mafia is not being presented well enough so that is more of a burden to me
ive had games in the past when ive called out scumteams within 5 pages and never been able to push them to lynch before the end of the game, even when i still believe them

[Paschendale]

i really dont fucking understand
why the heck you come up with the assertion that new players are infallible
otherwise literally the only people who would roll scum in newbie games would be IC's and SE's

newbs can be scum
end of fucking argument
i am not pushing policy lynches on that basis
i am pushing scum lynches

I never said that newbies can't be scum. I said there's no reason to conclude scum from Zombeh's few posts. You declared them to be scummy without actually saying why. You never made a case. You just jumped on a newbie to paint him as scummy so you could push a mislynch. You hoped no one would notice that you weren't actually arguing any kinds of good reasons to vote along with you. Stop lying. The issue isn't over whether or not a newbie can be scum. The issue is over whether or not there's a good reason to think that THIS newbie is scum. And there isn't. And you never offered one. Stop trying to distract with this nonsense over "infallible newbies". I'm not saying anything like that.

you have failed to fucking tell me why he is town
instead you resort to shitty buzzwords (lurker and policy and newb)
you argue that he is just new
new could mean either
so therefore you have no reason to think it's on a townie without a doubt
easy targets dont just mean town
scum can be super shit too

The argument here is that we should default assume that Zombehs was scum. If we have to prove that a newb is town in order not to lynch him... guess what, that's a policy lynch! Instead, you prove he's scum, and we're going to take up the "innocent until proven guilty" stance until you do something to change our minds. You haven't done anything close to that except attempt to shift the burden of proof. I don't need to prove him town. He's quite demonstrably null to everyone but you. You need to prove why he's scum, instead of just assuming it and declaring it and pretending that the discussion is over.

you are either way at this point, but im enjoying the idea of scum you more and more
flubber is town
four is town
fud is a lurkershit
ghostlin is town
ika is town
dino could still be scum prolly more than the rest of the lurkers
mtd is a lurkerfuck
pasch is extremely controversial and obv bc hes against me i want to call him scum but im not sure on that based on his insistence
random is town
titus is scum
tn is likely town

What an astoundingly self-serving readlist. The only scum are her detractors, and I'm too dangerous that if she goes after me she'll go down in the conflict.

People who have played with Om before: Is this something town Om does, something scum Om does, both, or neither?

As far as I recall, neither.

my weakness in mafia is not being presented well enough so that is more of a burden to me
ive had games in the past when ive called out scumteams within 5 pages and never been able to push them to lynch before the end of the game, even when i still believe them

As a matter of friendly advice for future games, you should try to gather your thoughts more coherently, write in proper English, and explain your positions in a concise manner. Also cut the spamposting.

[Om of the Nom]

oh my gosh i know thats what i need to work on but im such a stream of consciousness poster that its hard whoops

also do i need to quote strip and write 5 line paragraphs on every single action of zombeh for you to believe i have a case
if zombeh was so null to everyone why the heck was there a wagon
why the heck did everyone who was relevant at the time feel it right to sheep me on the wagon
like
i wasnt the only person pushing zombeh as scum
i was the only person who actually provided anything other than a sheep or a policy reason

[Om of the Nom]

and this is what i dont fucking understand

why in the flying fuck
was i scum for pushing the wagon
when nobody else was hard pushing anyone else at the time except maybe the sonic wagon
and

zero

other people on the wagon provided a reason for being on there

[Om of the Nom]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200

look at this
this is exactly when the zombeh wagon started up
and i want you to read this
i want you to see the instant double sheep within the same page
i want you to see the reason i think zombehs is scum
you have sidestepped everything i have actually said about zombehs to throw it away based entirely on the buzzwords that suit the argument

[FourTrouble]

@FourTrouble, why is Om town? Why would Pasch be so confident in something so wrong?

Keeping the game alive when there wasn't anyone else giving a shit + pushing the right people at the right time are massive town-tells. Zombeh was legitimately scummy when Om pushed him, and Om's push is also a massive town-tell.

Pasch's confidence doesn't mean shit. He could be scum. Probably is. Or he could be a clueless townie. Either way, I wouldn't sheep him just because he's "confident." Even highly accurate townies (and I wouldn't put Pasch in that category) are confident sometimes about wrong reads.

[FourTrouble]

Om, do me a favor and stop arguing with Pasch. It's giving him cover (basically all he's done all game is argue with you) so I can't even read him properly right now.

[Paschendale]

So what bright idea do you have, FourTrouble?

[Ghostlin]

Also, what do you think Ghostlin's read of you is?
And could you clarify your read for Math? is it a null or a scum read? What makes him scummier than the other lurkers?
PS: Ive found out that this is not the only game he isnt posting in, and he has probable reason which i cannot say, as id be breaking the rules.
P.edit: XD
Are you saying you aren't a fan of it?

You could ask Ghostlin what Ghostlin's read of Om is. Jesus...

Sadly, I'm leaning towards Om-Town. Scum usually would find a way to not engage and try to redirect, not shit up the thread for three pages.

I'm saying Om's drawing down too much of a target with her posting.

[Ghostlin]

Hey random!

Yeah, you. That context I asked for three pages back...not optional.

[Titus]

Also, what do you think Ghostlin's read of you is?
And could you clarify your read for Math? is it a null or a scum read? What makes him scummier than the other lurkers?
PS: Ive found out that this is not the only game he isnt posting in, and he has probable reason which i cannot say, as id be breaking the rules.
P.edit: XD
Are you saying you aren't a fan of it?

You could ask Ghostlin what Ghostlin's read of Om is. Jesus...

Sadly, I'm leaning towards Om-Town. Scum usually would find a way to not engage and try to redirect, not shit up the thread for three pages.

I'm saying Om's drawing down too much of a target with her posting.

I draw a target as both alignments. So I am not so fast to label shit. The better my fake claim generally the more drama I feel comfortable with. Read my meta. It will help you read me.

Look at logic. Right now Om seems more like anyone but me.

[Titus]

Om, do me a favor and stop arguing with Pasch. It's giving him cover (basically all he's done all game is argue with you) so I can't even read him properly right now.

On the contrary if Om is not scum, Pasch has explaining to do. Still people should interact with Pascher outside his tunnel.

@Pasch, suppose you are right, who is Om's team? And if you are wrong who is scum?

[Om of the Nom]

@Pasch, suppose you are right, who is Om's team? And if you are wrong who is scum?

you need to answer this as well because you are still failing to say anything at all about anyone not me or Pasch

[Titus]

I can and will answer that when I am settled. I got a couple lean towns so far. I read people by via and interacting with them. So I do not know, nor I pretend to.

[Om of the Nom]

im sorry but
i think its horrible that you cant form reads based on the 30 previous pages
you managed to form a read on me without even interacting directly with me
you can do it with everyone else in the game
i'll excuse you for not being able to read MTD Fud or Dino tho since they are lurker fucks
but everyone else has a presence in this game

[eyestott]

Havent read up, Ive had a busy day. Going out to a dinner soon, and Ill be back in 5-ish hours. X post for most of my games.

[eyestott]

I thought Id get home earlier, but its now 11:30.
I will say this:
We need to not lynch Om.
He is the one at the forefront of pretty much all discussion. Lynching him, even if he's scum, would likely do more harm than good to the town, given the current state of the game (A bunch of missing players)

[Titus]

I thought Id get home earlier, but its now 11:30.
I will say this:
We need to not lynch Om.
He is the one at the forefront of pretty much all discussion. Lynching him, even if he's scum, would likely do more harm than good to the town, given the current state of the game (A bunch of missing players)

Wrong. Lynch scum, then worry about game state. I am liking you less and less.

[Randomnamechange]

Finished reading up and my vote is staying where it is.
Ask me for something and a big post will come tomorrow with stuff I want to say and anything people need to know.

[Paschendale]

On the contrary if Om is not scum, Pasch has explaining to do. Still people should interact with Pascher outside his tunnel.

@Pasch, suppose you are right, who is Om's team? And if you are wrong who is scum?

What exactly do I have to explain about pursuing my strongest scumread? How about you explain why you're not doing that? Also, if you read any of the argument that you're sheeping, you would see that I called Om third party. Who else is scum? I dunno. You might be. Now, do you wanna contribute or just snark at me because it's day fucking one and how the hell do you think I'd have everyone who isn't town pinned down when we don't even know how many people that is? It's not pro-town to poke the only person with an actual case with a stick and act like he should have all the answers.

you managed to form a read on me without even interacting directly with me

Direct interaction mostly just creates arguments, not reads.

i'll excuse you for not being able to read MTD Fud or Dino tho since they are lurker fucks
but everyone else has a presence in this game

That's funny because you don't have a meaningful read on anyone else.

I thought Id get home earlier, but its now 11:30.
I will say this:
We need to not lynch Om.
He is the one at the forefront of pretty much all discussion. Lynching him, even if he's scum, would likely do more harm than good to the town, given the current state of the game (A bunch of missing players)

So who do you propose we lynch instead?

That's two people now who are just poo pooing the existing ideas without adding any of their own.

[CooLDoG]

VOTE COUNT 1.11

Om of the Nom (3) ~ FuDuzn Paschendale titus
tn5421 (0) ~
MTD (0) ~
ika (0) ~
Ghostlin (1) ~ Flubbernugget,
randomidget (1) ~ , Mathdino,

Mathdino (4) ~ ika, Om of the Nom, eyestott, Ghostlin (l-3)

Flubbernugget (0) ~
FourTrouble (0) ~
FuDuzn (1) ~ , FourTrouble
Paschendale (0) ~
eyestott (0) ~ randomidget
titus (0) ~ ,

It takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is: 17:00 (CST) Monday, January 19, 2015

Not Voting (2): MTD | tn5421

Also, mtd is past his posted v/la. If he does not respond in 24 hours he will be replaced... *sigh*

[Ghostlin]

Om, do me a favor and stop arguing with Pasch. It's giving him cover (basically all he's done all game is argue with you) so I can't even read him properly right now.

On the contrary if Om is not scum, Pasch has explaining to do. Still people should interact with Pascher outside his tunnel.

@Pasch, suppose you are right, who is Om's team? And if you are wrong who is scum?

I'm trying to understand if this idea is just dumb, which might mean Titus has funny ideas on mafia (protip: just because Person A believes Person B to be scum, if Person A flips Town, it's not a tell that Person B is scum. You can be Town and not be infallible. It happens to me ALL THE TIME.)

OR that Titus is trying to set up a Pasch lynch later. And I was one of the ones who wasn't thrilled at the Newbie vocalizations of Pasch trying to clear newbs.