Not voting: orcinus_theoriginal
With 12 alive It takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in: (expired on 2015-01-22 22:14:00)
In post 172, Lalendra wrote:In post 165, farside22 wrote:Lal reads scummy to me. Can't put a finger more then the reads she/ he Gave.
I can't believe the mislynch comment from the ari read that is based on meta, then criticizing orc for asking about history from others, which given the convo going on would be a natural question to ask.
I sort of felt dirty reading the post because I half wondered about bias towards friends.
I don't think that me taking Ari's meta into account, and also scrutinizing Orcinus for asking about everyone else's meta, are irreconcilable/scummy. Using meta is fine, but I didn't see the usefulness in asking about the meta of others - I wouldn't believe anything anyone said.
What about my reads stuck you as scummy, aside from that one point? Also, when you say bias towards friends, to whom are you referring, and where do you see the bias?
In post 174, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:In post 122, Aristophanes wrote:I'll have to parse all this when I get home from work.
Too much to try addressing on my phone.
Vyse wrote:Metal leans Town for playing Anti-scum
everyone’s meta isn’t really that helpful when people can just lie about other people’s meta and their history in games together
In post 163, Lalendra wrote:Maybe werewolf since he seems to be trying to play both sides against the middle
Example was when he lays down votes without saying much, then ask a ton of questions when ari questioned it. Then orc says he expected someone to question him.
Okay....weird way to reaction hunt.
In post 180, YYR wrote:That's quite the wagon on Ari. How much is this Ari being Ari?
In post 180, YYR wrote:That's quite the wagon on Ari. How much is this Ari being Ari?
Also, hi. Reading at the moment. For reference, people call me Young for those that don't know me.
In post 150, Ginko wrote:What's your perception of Ari's towngame?
In post 48, Ginko wrote:Can you explain why an early wagon is a bad thing? Cuz I don't really seem to recall an instance of a game that you've been in where there's been a quickwagon on D1 that's resulted in anything bad happening?Aristophanes wrote:I am actually a little uptight about that. Acryon, whats with that? Trying to get an early wagon going?
In post 79, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:it feels like you are setting ari up for a mislynch or at least baiting him into a bad situation
In post 173, acryon wrote:A couple things strike me as off here.
In post 163, Lalendra wrote:Acryon – Seemed to bandwagon early with Gliffie’s anti-hydra vote on Ginko, but that could just be a reaction test (or an intense dislike of hydras). I honestly don't have much of a read on this one, even though he's posted quite a bit.
As you yourself stated, I have posted quite a bit, but the one thing you decide to look at and comment on is a joke post on the first page?
In post 173, acryon wrote:Aristophanes – Thank you for birthday wishes! Typical Ari, from what I’ve seen; some general silliness, but that's not out of alignment with his meta, from what I've seen. I don't know if I'm 100% convinced he's scum, and at any rate I'm not quite convinced enough to fling a vote there. I'd hate to see a D1 no-lynch, but I'd hate a mislynch too.
You went from this to voting him just because of a naked vote? Do you think naked votes are alignment-indicative?
In post 173, acryon wrote:Lyserg-Zeroz – Leaning scum. He was okay with putting Ari close to a lynch, saying in uncertain/vague terms that he didn’t like Ari’s response on an earlier post; reads being against stacking votes early in D1 as anti-town, when in reality I think it’s the opposite. Not wanting a hasty D1 vote seems more town than scum, to me. Thank you for birthday wishes
You criticize Lyserg here for putting Ari close to a lynch, and then you post several posts later with a vote putting Ari to L-1.
In post 173, acryon wrote:My strongest scumread right now is Orcinus, so I'm going to go with that even though he's nowhere near a lynch, and will change my mind if I'm convinced Ari is scum.
I just find it odd that simply a naked vote from Ari would be enough to convince you the slot is scum. And not only that, but convince you enough to put him to L-1, something you literallyjustscrutinized Lyserg for, and Lyserg's vote was only the 3rd on Ari, whereas your's is the sixth!
In post 176, farside22 wrote:In post 172, Lalendra wrote:In post 165, farside22 wrote:Lal reads scummy to me. Can't put a finger more then the reads she/ he Gave.
I can't believe the mislynch comment from the ari read that is based on meta, then criticizing orc for asking about history from others, which given the convo going on would be a natural question to ask.
I sort of felt dirty reading the post because I half wondered about bias towards friends.
I don't think that me taking Ari's meta into account, and also scrutinizing Orcinus for asking about everyone else's meta, are irreconcilable/scummy. Using meta is fine, but I didn't see the usefulness in asking about the meta of others - I wouldn't believe anything anyone said.
What about my reads stuck you as scummy, aside from that one point? Also, when you say bias towards friends, to whom are you referring, and where do you see the bias?
Ari.
You mention meta and that's it.
One vote and insta scum read is a real stretch reading your recap of him.
In post 177, Lyserg-Zeroz wrote:
Lalendra's read of me misunderstands my initial vote on Ari, it was not about what Ari said being inherently anti-town, it was about it feeling weird and somewhat out of character for me when coming from Ari. Btw,@Lalendra:
everyone’s meta isn’t really that helpful when people can just lie about other people’s meta and their history in games together
I mean, unless everyone is somehow on the same scumteam, if one of us had lied, there would've been a good chance others would've called the liar out, so the risk of lying seems like a dumb one to take; this seems like a stretch.
In post 163, Lalendra wrote:Maybe werewolf since he seems to be trying to play both sides against the middle
I'm dumb, so this just seems weird and I don get it, can you walk me through why you are suspecting him of specifically being a werewolf?
In post 183, YYR wrote:In post 48, Ginko wrote:Can you explain why an early wagon is a bad thing? Cuz I don't really seem to recall an instance of a game that you've been in where there's been a quickwagon on D1 that's resulted in anything bad happening?Aristophanes wrote:I am actually a little uptight about that. Acryon, whats with that? Trying to get an early wagon going?
Uh huh. You definitely weren't scum in a game and quickhammered West that led to a scum win.
In post 189, West9 wrote:Lal, why no actual read on me? Seems really odd.
Acryon touched on some other things that were weird.
Ari's Metal vote reads to me as a "well I'm scum and I'm gonna fuck with you because I know I'm going to die."
Another thing, Lal: why do you feel like you need to express your interest in avoiding a mislynch?
Mostly have the following in mind:acryon wrote:Why does it feel deep? Especially considering posts like 16 and 18.
I just don't really see scumMetal looking that far into interactions from my experience with him.Metal wrote:Acryon and Orc being teammates is from their interactions, they were getting some good discussion from each other instead of the typical accusation and defensive statements I've usually seen.
I tried checking in with Johnny about reads, but he hadn't and hasn't really read super in-depth yet, and mostly just said there was nothing he particularly disagreed with in my readslist from what he'd seen so far.West wrote:@Cheetory - Not to be a dick about the whole hydra thing, but I'd like to if that readslist represents your thoughts or the thoughts of the hydra.
i) Townlean is stronger in my head than it might sound to other people.West wrote:About the readslist itself, that's a awffullll lot of nulls and leans.
I was kind of hoping you'd say that this wasn't really all that important of reasoning to you. Like, it reads as pretty forced to me that you're going after Aristophanes for being derpy with RVS-stuff in such a blatant way when that strikes me really hard as being obviously explained by his playstyle. It feels like you're jumping on something easier than I expect you to.West wrote:Why did you even ask me this when you were just going to ignore my answer and say "well, Ari said he's joking, so that's that."
If you really want I can hunt down quotes of specific lines of questioning and followthroughs that feel townie to me. Good example in this latest post of yours is pressuring orci with a vote for ignoring you.Lyserg wrote:I suppose I understand what Ginko is saying, but I don't feel like I've arrived at a particularly interesting place or done anything particularly interesting for him to townread me for that
You've posted more/gave me a stronger feeling with more of your posts/I have meta on you.Lyserg wrote:I also don't like how that read is the same for Vyse except you expressed being less confident because multiball there, but didn't do that with me (where even you seemed to specifically downgrade your read of him more to the null side because of that)
q.q I honestly didn't think of this game because it was so unremarkable besides my incredibly stupid scumplay. Does it really strike you as an example of a super beneficial quickwagon? Because I associate the quickhammer I did with me almost losing the game for Ari and I at the time.Young wrote:Uh huh. You definitely weren't scum in a game and quickhammered West that led to a scum win.
In post 193, Ginko wrote:Why specifically mafia?Aristophanes wrote:I could totally see this being the three Mafia Goons being really messy on D1.
-Cheetory6
I'm fairly certain that when I asked you to look at these two Ocrinus was still in RVS and it had basically been just myself, Ginko, and Lyserg talking. I may have had a town-vibe from them, but I definitely wanted a second opinion, especially since, as I said, noone was talking much yet. You never did give me an answer in that post either, btw, so why did you deflect my question back at me rather than give a read??In post 121, acryon wrote:
Why did you ask me to look specifically into Ginko and Lyserg? Other people said things, and people like Orc said quite a bit, but for some reason you mentioned those two specifically.
And then you say:
In post 53, Aristophanes wrote:Ginko and Lyserg are alright in my books thus far.
Why do you want me to specifically look at the two people you think are fine? This isn’t normal town behavior in my experience. If you were to ask me to look into someone, normally it would make sense for it to be someone you suspected.
VOTE: Aristophanes
I mean, I've never been big on quickwagons, especially on D1. I now you had that happen to you once, but that doesn't mean I can take it at face value. Also just plain asking is boring! Wouldn't have been much of a conversation if I had've done it that way, now would it have?In post 198, Ginko wrote:If you already knew it was likely commonplace, why go to the lengths of indirectly asking in such a weird way? Why not just directly ask? Like, walk me through your intentions there.
-Cheetory6