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If my partner wishs to claim, so be it, but I will not claim for him.
Back on Page 13, I dropped this breadcrumb if you look at the last sentence. So it shows that Jenter Brolincani and I are linked. I don't think I was told whether or not he was "innocent," just that he was my mason partner.Rishi wrote: Jenter Brolincani – He keeps saying he is confused. I think he’s actually confused. Maybe a scum or not.
Very nice slip-up, Panzer. Any reason why a real cop wouldn't have said, "Don't direct me?"Panzerjager wrote:Don't direct the cop.
Whoa there...this implies that there are four scum. Is that possible in a minigame? I think you should seriously reconsider your theory that there are scum-town links in every case.hand banana wrote:i have a new strategy.
we have 3 pairs of masons (maybe even 4, we'll see about that).
there is no doubt in my mind that every pair consists of one townie + one scum.
so there we have:
1st pair: nekka and alsleet
i'm not sure
50%-50%
2nd pair: rishi and jenter
i'm pretty sure
5%-95%
3rd pair: N9V and XXX
also, pretty sure NV is town
5% - 95%
and my plan is: we lynch jester, and i Night Kill NV's partner.
ok with that?
and panzer khelv situation will be resolved when we get theris investigations.
i think town wins easily in this game.
I find it rather interesting that you say that's "exactly the point you were trying to convey". See, when I originally wrote that paraphrase I wasn't actually trying to paraphrase your post 152. Instead, I was trying to paraphrase my own posts 191, 196, and 200:Khelvaster wrote:That is exactly the point I was trying to convey, yes. I said it in a somewhat less diplomatic tone, because I believed HB to have already stated his desire to be independant.Tarhalindur wrote:Khelvaster, would the following statement...Khelvaster wrote:I'll give some more stuff later. For now, I just want to bring two things up from my post 152.This was said in response to HB having said he felt confidant in his own scumhunting abilities. Notice how I conclude that it would be better for him not to kill at all than for us to lynch him. Of course, using him as another lynch is the best option. I never actually advocated lynching him. That's why I said almost.Khelvaster wrote:I almost want to lynch Hand Banana...I feel unsafe with him as our vig. He isn't scummy, but the way he's acting makes me feel really bad about his judgement to hit scum instead of townies at night. He apparently read through Tapioca mafia...in that game, the vig nailed a townie night 1 and a doc night 2. Despite this, we could just tell him not to kill anyone. That would weaken him down to a townie, but it would be better IMO than losing a townie.
"IMO, hand banana should allow himself to be used as a second lynch, or at least agree not to fire. If he refuses, I'd consider lynching him even though he is an uncounterclaimed vig, since I don't trust his scumhunting abilities and his Azwolging behavior could be disasterous for the town."
...be a reasonable paraphrase of what you were trying to say in Post 152?
Tarhalindur wrote:Hand banana's play has become so strange that the only reason I'm not voting him is because he's an uncounterclaimed vig. He seems dead-set to enact a plan that is, in my opinion, very anti-town (especially since it's likely to out most or all of our power roles), ignoring the town's wishes in the process (for future reference, it is my opinion that there are probably 1-2 scum hiding in the group of less-than-active players), and he's OMGUS'ing anyone who speaks out against his plan to boot.
IMO, hand banana is either lying scum or a vig who is playing *very* poorly (and hand banana is right that a poorly played vig can be a liability to the town). I'm not sure, however, if the benefit of taking out a probable liability to the town is worth the risk of potentially losing our vig on Day 1.
Tarhalindur wrote:...Here's a plan for you - we, as a town decide whether or not we should vig someone tonight, and if so who. Once night comes around, you carry out the town's wishes by vigging whoever the town decided to kill (if anyone).
At the time I posted my post 200, I had not seen hand banana's post 197 (where he finally agreed to a course of action that would neutralize any threat he posed for the time being). As such, my post 200 followed up on my logic in post 191 - to paraphrase, "if he refuses, I'd consider lynching him even though he is an uncounterclaimed vig, since I don't trust his scumhunting abilities and his Azwolging behavior could be disasterous for the town". From what I saw hand banana was still absolutely committed to a plan of action that would commit him to killing or outing a power role each night (in other words, while hand banana wasn't actually claiming to be a forced vig he was pursuing a course of action that would, IMO, effectively make him a forced vig), and as such I was starting to consider whether hand banana's scumminess on Page 5 and his insistence that we use his fatally flawed plan outweighed his status as an uncounterclaimed vig.Tarhalindur wrote:I've got a question that might help us decide where to go from here.
At this point, my opinion is that if hand banana is, in fact the vig, then he is effectively a forced/overeager vig (i.e, a vig that has to fire every night), especially since IMO revealing power roles is almost as bad as killing them off. From what I've seen in past games, forced vigs tend to be a liability to the town - they don't have the option of just not firing, so they often wind up shooting at vaguely scummy players who turn out to be power roles.
My question for everyone is, is it in the best interests of the town to lynch a claimed forced vig on Day 1, given that a forced vig is a town power role that is known to backfire horribly on the town?
Tarhalindur wrote:Vote: Tarhalindur
Tar is the only person I've seen who is continuously trying to take down a claimed, unchallenged vig. That is not good in my book.
Setting aside the obvious problems with this post (I wasn't even arguing for a lynch, let alone a quick lynch - considering a lynch, yes, but not actually arguing for it), I find this post, if not a direct contradiction of Khelvaster's post 152, then at least very hypocritical in light of his 152, seeing as Khelvaster's attacking me for using the exact same train of thought that he followed in his own 152.Tarhalindur wrote:Tar is also using an argument for lynch that is definitely a scumtell. He is saying the claimed vig is an inexperienced forced vig, and therefore we should lynch him. Tar has lain low most of the game--he now reared his ugly head to try and get a quick lynch.
So, let's see - in post 152, you admit that you were considering lynching hand banana if he tried to go throught with his plan, yet in post 182 you seem to be saying that we can't even consider lynching an uncounterclaimed power role on Day 1? Moreover, you attack me in post 212 (claiming that I'm continuously trying to take down an uncounterclaimed vig) for following the same logic that you yourself followed in Post 152? Those look like contradictions to me.Khelvaster wrote:I'll say preemptively to Nekka and his inevitable OMGUS argument: don't give me any crap about this being a WIFOM accusation. No sane townie would go out of their way to try and lynch a vig. Instead, the townie would want to wait until d2 to see what comes of the vig's claim.Zero tolerance is the only way to go for trying to lynch unchallenged, claimed pro-town power roles day 1.
I don't agree with you that you've been acting in a pro-town way. Indeed, given the contradictions I'm seeing in your posts and the breadcrumb hunt you led us on, I think that you're probably scum, and Panzer is probably the real cop.This means I have been acting in a fairly pro-town way, and I didn't jump on any bandwagons, unlike Panzer.I find it interesting how eager you are to point out that you've been looking at Panzerjager for some time, and how eager you are to (rightfully) point out that Panzer has been acting scummy for a while. After all, just because Panzer's actions have been scummy doesn't mean that your action's aren't...Check out how I suspected Panzer on post 152...He's been acting scummy for a while.Anyway, I am seeing something awkward about Panzer's posts. I don't know if it's just paranoia, so for nowIGMEOY, Panzer. I'll need to reread posts to find something substantial.
And on the subject of Jenter, I already said that I was posting that for the record, should I get lynched. I don't know how many of you guys had noticed it. I did not intend for this to be a topic of discussion atm.
I think that once we get a lynch, everything will be much easier. What we need to do now is first decide on a lynch, and then decide on who your kill should be.hand banana wrote:there is.
and it's possible that there are 4 scum if there are vig, cop, doc?, masons etc..
and it's also possible that there are 3 scum and both you and panzer are cops, but with sanity issues.
The bigger question is why he didn't go ahead and vote Jenter, seeing as Jenter has not contributed to the town, and he has made a few majorly scummy, yet low-sized posts (the one I mentioned previously being the latest.)hand banana wrote:and this:is the reason, i'm *possibly* going to kill elias (if i don't get enough defence).N9V wrote: Vote Rishi MAJOR FoS Jemter
n9 woudn't jsut randomly pick one and major fosed the other if he was scum nad knew about scum-townie pairs.