Mini 1634 - English Premier League Mafia (Game over)

[Whiskers]

Umm, I had Ollie as scum as well.

But, Guyett isn't scum soooo......

Well, that's because you're scum trying to lynch townies.

Amirite?

Vote: BlueBloodedToffee

[deathfisaro]

Given the votecount, do I smell bussing D3 as well?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Whiskers, wtf are you doing?

[Guyett]

VOTE: no lynch
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VOTE: BBT

VOTE: OllieVOTE: scum
VOTE: GuyettVOTE:

scum

VOTE: no lynch
VOTE: no lynch
VOTE: no lynch
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VOTE: BBT

VOTE: OllieVOTE: scum
VOTE: GuyettVOTE: scum

VOTE: BBT

[massive]

I don't lurk massive.

What game did I lurk in?

I was looking to determine Scripten's alignment.

You were definitely less-active in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and your whole team DID lurk to victory.

[massive]

Why is Death town for that vote count but not me?

Because your involvement on the Kaboose wagon is incidental at best. You vote in 35 (which is practically RVS) and just never muster up the energy to change it.

Also, why are you ignoring the context that Whiskers and I were the driving forces behind the Ollie wagon.

Your vote for Ollie is 320. Ollie gets to L-1 by 423 and in between, you don't mention or interact with Ollie at all. Which wagon exactly were you the "driving force" on?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So, Ollie could be scum. Yeah.

358 - Guyett proposes a pool of scum players. Ollie states he 'isn't sure about me.' He also mentions whether I would be bad enough to 'off' the players who were hassling me. When the fuck was Scripten hassling me? I don't even feel like Kaboose was hassling me so, wtf? Was this a 'testing waters' post?

360 - Guyett states he is town-reading me.

361 - Ollie states he is also town-reading me...this feels like you were waiting to see Guyett's reads before committing and I don't like it at all. If you thought I was town, when Guyett proposed his lynch pool, why did you not say 'BBT is town?' Instead, you said, 'Not sure about that one', which implies otherwise.

364 - Very weak explanation behind his 'Scripten was hassling me comment'. His response looks like caught scum.

367 - Jesus Christ this post is bad. I don't quite know how I managed to miss all of this first time around. I imagine it was because I was skimming.

Again, Ollie looks for confirmation from Guyett on how to proceed. This question looks very specifically like 'Guyett, give me a reason to reverse my read on Whiskers and scum-read him.

Weak reasoning, and kind of contradictory, behind voting BRO.

370 - Whiskers, I find it highly unlikely that BOTH Guyett and Ollie and scum. I think Ollie is scum leading town!Guyett along. The following post link makes me think Guyett knows something is up as well.

374 - Says it all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know how that just happened.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't lurk massive.

What game did I lurk in?

I was looking to determine Scripten's alignment.

You were definitely less-active in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and your whole team DID lurk to victory.

No, I wasn't.
I was 4th highest poster in Guardians, 20 posts within 2nd. You're going to have to try harder to accuse me of lurking.

[Whiskers]

367 - Jesus Christ this post is bad. I don't quite know how I managed to miss all of this first time around. I imagine it was because I was skimming.

Again, Ollie looks for confirmation from Guyett on how to proceed. This question looks very specifically like 'Guyett, give me a reason to reverse my read on Whiskers and scum-read him.

Weak reasoning, and kind of contradictory, behind voting BRO.

370 - Whiskers,

I find it highly unlikely that BOTH Guyett and Ollie and scum.

I think Ollie is scum leading town!Guyett along. The following post link makes me think Guyett knows something is up as well.

374 - Says it all.

The above is the post from BBT's case on Ollie, where he says "hey, Ollie is scum but Guyett isn't!"

Whiskers, I thought Ollie was town and when I re-read I realised I had missed a lot of scummy things.

I was building a case on Ollie, I have nothing to explain.

VOTE: Guyett

I think he has done this to prevent having to explain his town-read and 'never voting' of Ollie.

Then only two posts later (posts of arguing with Ollie at the end of the day, and supporting an Elk lynch instead), he comes out and suddenly votes Guyett. Who, according to his case Day 2, was being "led along by scum!Ollie."

VOTE: BBT

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I explained the vote on Guyett.

It was also not two posts later.

Whiskers, I wold really fucking appreciate it if you would realise I am town and then we can work together with Guyett to find scum.

Scum fear town-blocks. Let's form one.

[massive]

I was 4th highest poster in Guardians, 20 posts within 2nd. You're going to have to try harder to accuse me of lurking.

Um. I'm NOT accusing you of lurking. I'm saying that, even though your team lurked to victory (and you can't argue that) in GoG2, that you are still here in this game fighting early lurking, which contributes to my town read on you. Straight?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, I can't. The other two people lurked, I didn't.

I have very strong (negative) feelings towards lurkers and didn't appreciate the insinuation that I lurked to a scum-win. My bad if I misunderstood.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Massive could be scum as well.

Massive/Ghostlin for final scum?

[Whiskers]

I explained the vote on Guyett.

It was also not two posts later.

Whiskers, I wold really fucking appreciate it if you would realise I am town and then we can work together with Guyett to find scum.

Scum fear town-blocks. Let's form one.

Your explanation was fucking bad, though. You "think Guyett has Post-Restricted himself to avoid having to explain his townread on Ollie," one which you shared for most of the day. Yes, you bailed at the last minute to bus him. But it shouldn't matter. Here's why:

You already townread Guyett. According to you, Ollie was scum, leading Guyett. The implication is also there that Guyett's play is weak enough to kind of just take the flattery. Regardless, you said yourself that If Ollie was scum (he was) Guyett probably wasn't. THEN YOU VOTE HIM LITERALLY TWO POSTS LATER. (post 567 is the case. ISO #86
post 586 supports and elk lynch and says "look at Ollie tomorrow". ISO. #87
post 576 argues with Ollie a little bit about BBT's case. ISO # 88
url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6524401]post 616[/url] BBT votes Guyett, saying he needed to explain his never-lynch-town-read on Ollie, and that he castrated himself to avoid doing so, despite the fact that he

should

be townreading him due to the fact that Ollie flipped scum.

Second problem? Guyett

did

explain his read on Ollie. It was stupid and weak reasoning, but you didn't seem to mind at the time:

Still waiting for you to clarify why you think Ollie is town at all. Guyett's explanation is "offsite meta," which I would think shouldn't sit well with you, but...?

I don't care much for Guyett's reasoning for town-reading Ollie. If I was scum-reading Ollie, there would be a problem.

[Whiskers]

So to recap:
your explanation of the Guyett vote is shit.
it was, in fact, two posts later.
Now, you say you want to work together with Guyett, despite him being scum, despite him being town.
I'm not fucking forming a town block with you. Maybe with death and either massive or BRO.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you're too dumb to see I'm town that's not my problem.

I'm fed up of this shit.

It wasn't two posts fucking later. Guyett is fucking town, I explained that I was fucking dumb for scum-reading him and it was mostly OMGUS and frustration.

I also thought Guyett used his restriction on himself, and he never, he used it on massive and it got diverted onto him.

[Whiskers]

EBWOP:

I explained the vote on Guyett.

It was also not two posts later.

Whiskers, I wold really fucking appreciate it if you would realise I am town and then we can work together with Guyett to find scum.

Scum fear town-blocks. Let's form one.

Your explanation was fucking bad, though. You "think Guyett has Post-Restricted himself to avoid having to explain his townread on Ollie," one which you shared for most of the day. Yes, you bailed at the last minute to bus him. But it shouldn't matter. Here's why:

You already townread Guyett. According to you, Ollie was scum, leading Guyett. The implication is also there that Guyett's play is weak enough to kind of just take the flattery. Regardless, you said yourself that If Ollie was scum (he was) Guyett probably wasn't. THEN YOU VOTE HIM LITERALLY TWO POSTS LATER.
post 567 is the case.

ISO #86

post 586 supports and elk lynch and says "look at Ollie tomorrow".

ISO. #87

post 576 argues with Ollie a little bit about BBT's case.

ISO # 88

post 616 BBT votes Guyett, saying he needed to explain his never-lynch-town-read on Ollie, and that he castrated himself to avoid doing so, despite the fact that he

should

be townreading him due to the fact that Ollie flipped scum.

ISO #89

Second problem? Guyett

did

explain his read on Ollie. It was stupid and weak reasoning, but you didn't seem to mind at the time:

Still waiting for you to clarify why you think Ollie is town at all. Guyett's explanation is "offsite meta," which I would think shouldn't sit well with you, but...?

I don't care much for Guyett's reasoning for town-reading Ollie. If I was scum-reading Ollie, there would be a problem.

[Whiskers]

I'm too dumb to see you're town and you're too dumb not to have contradictory play.

<3

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't have contradictory play.

[Whiskers]

I do love Post 491, though. The reasons for Ollie town are "his scumhunting," the "scumminess of his wagon," and that "his alignment becomes pretty apparent at some point in the game."
The last one is my

favourite!

You know, I never found out he reason his alignment was supposed to become apparent. Can you reveal that now? That'd be so cool!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh yeah.

Well, because the last person to get on his wagon would be auto-killed, if he was town; scum would kill him because he is difficult/near impossible to lynch. If he survived past a couple of days, I would have been all over him and would have voted him because it makes little sense for scum to leave him alive.

That simple really.

[Whiskers]

Ok. Setting aside his

great

scumhunting and the

intense

level of scum on Ollie's wagon, what about that reason-- that Ollie was a Super Saint-- changed and had you voting him?

I mean, it'd still be neat if you explained what made his scumhunting so great or why the wagon was bad. But your read seems to have gone from "It'll be obvious if he's a supersaint!" to "oh yeah, or he could be scum (but let's still not lynch him)."

[Red Arrow]

I'm still sort of here, been having horrible weather conditions, massive storms and high wind causing electric to go off. Blagh. Those in the UK should know how bad its been this last week.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yawn. I'm bored now.

I know it has been bad RA.

What are your current reads?