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Young about Ginko maybe baiting Ari wrote:I agree. Not for the same reasons, but I agree. All these "waiting until later" and reactions tests are hindering any kind of coherent conversation here, though
In post 279, Ginko wrote:
Bad at explaining things but it's basically trying to find evidence to prove your own reads rather than letting the evidence form the reads.
^Johnny
In post 288, VysePresident wrote:Anyway, down to business.
VOTE: Ginko
--I'm not really sure about my Ari read at this point. I still dislike his early play, but his more recent content is so far afield of what I'd expected from him that I'm second-guessing my ability to read him. He's not a terrible lynch, but I'm leaning towards one of Ginko or Acryon at the moment, for reasons I'll hit in a second. Prawn isn't great, but there's not a lot to go on, and my read on Lalendra is pretty meh at this point. I'd probably put them both lower on my list than Ari.
--So, the thing that's bugging me the most about Ginko is that I gather both heads have played a number of games with most of you guys, and I'd have expected them to be on top of the mess I'm seeing here as Town. We're stuck in a morass of text-walls being hurled at each other, with very little purpose or effect that I can see.
Correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I feel like they're in the best position to be sorting through the game, and I don't like that they're not actively doing so. There's a bit of Townish noise, but it doesn't really seem to lead anywhere. I'd really, really like to see some more content from you guys. It wouldn't be too hard to get me to shift my vote at this point.
--I dislike Acryon's 121 - I'm not really seeing the defensiveness people were talking about, but I do dislike the way he puts his vote on Ari. His reasoning is weak, and feels more like an excuse. His response implying that he was pressuring is thin.
On the other hand, there are a few posts of his I like, mostly from when it feels like he's sorting through the game. Consider this me taking note of a bad gut read that I really need to sort through.
--I'll analyze the Lalandra case & wagon in the morning. I'm literally falling asleep at my computer right now.
Why is this a reason to think Acryon's posts have a townfeel to them?Lalendra wrote:Hasn’t put out a whole lot of his own opinions yet
Are you referring to her asking for clarifications on general mafia-related things or asking for clarifications on things that people mean?Lyserg wrote:She did ask more for clarifications there than here
Can you expand on this thought? Not really sure what you mean.Lyserg wrote:The Keely's BS game was sorta short and I still wish I had more townLalendra material, because the difference isn't really that harsh, butthis makes me read this Lal as scummier anyways.
How was orcinus the popular bandwagon when Ari was the first person to vote for him??prawneater wrote:You on the other hand seem to jump to whatever popular bandwagon is going. First with orcinus_theoriginal
If you ignore me again I will cut you.Ginko wrote:What's your general perception of Ari's towngame?
Why're you acting like I didn't completely botch the entire first half of that game? o.oLyserg wrote:I've been feeling like Ginko is somewhat lacking, not sure how much of this is due to a combo of me overhyping the Cheet head in my mind for how he killed all of my scumteam last game I played with him and that they seem rather busy.
What's the value in saying this? You literally disarmed your own vote on me. :/Vyse wrote:It wouldn't be too hard to get me to shift my vote at this point.
Ginko wrote:What's your general perception of Ari's towngame?
Scum can investedly scumhunt in a more convincing way as there's another faction that they know exists. Much more likely than usual for a townread to be scum, I literally know from super recent experience. I'm not discouraging townreads, but I'm going to try really hard not to let my reads on the town side get too static and I suggest other people keep this in mind as well.West wrote:Is this just you being against giving people townreads? I'm very confused by this point.
General you. Can replace it with 'one' as well.West wrote:is the "you" that I bolded supposed to be a general "you"
Don't really see how I'm ignoring your response? Unless you mean I'm not analyzing your response as a whole or something?West wrote:This doesn't explain why you ignored it.
West wrote:And, of course, you're still ignoring that he straight out says "I was making a point that [West's] logic was flawed."
I feel like the bolded is a pretty important distinction that you're blatantly ignoring.Aristophanes wrote:I was making a point that his logic was flawed, but I also wasdefinitely still joking around.
Yeah because you egged him on about it here:West wrote:Fuck that shit, RVS/joking period ended at post 41. Ari was continuing his "we could both be scum" argument at 62, while he was making the non-RVS argument of "Orci isn't doing anything."
West wrote:Also, he still hasn't disproved my initial logic.
Can you explain this more clearly?West wrote:Regarding his meta, that's one of the points of this. scumAri trying to emphasize the possibility of a situation where he and I could be on separate teams but both be scum makes complete sense to me after the last D2 game.
Why is this a valuable question for you to be asking farside given your scumread on Lal? Run me through the thought process here.Acryon wrote:Knowing she has only played one game on their site, do your feelings change?