Micro 438: Greatest Idea Mafia - Game Over

[guille2015]

Lynchbait (If you are lynched, any and all Lynchers immediately win)

[guille2015]

Or those that just mean the Lynching Vote?

[Espeonage]

I'm happy to leave Alch be until very late game.

My problem guille is that your softclaim fits with the kills, but doesn't fit with the game. Why were there only two kills last night?

Either you were softing your fake claim, or we only have wolves, or wolves and mafia both hit GiF.

I think given the throwaways, the nature of the roles in alien faction and the lack of kills, it is unlikely we have aliens.

[Espeonage]

Lynchbait (If you are lynched, any and all Lynchers immediately win)

Lyncher is 3rd party who wins when they lynch their target.
Lynchbait is an alternate wincon for a lyncher.

[Espeonage]

Ignore the last line.

Lynchbait is a alternate way to kill lynchers.

[guille2015]

Oh, Ok, I thought it meant those on the Lynch wagon! Well, then disregard that assertion then.

[guille2015]

My problem guille is that your softclaim fits with the kills, but doesn't fit with the game. Why were there only two kills last night?

mafia and Werewolves or aliens and werewolves, But I think Aliens don't kill at night or something, can't remember. Why wouldn't it fit with the Kills.

[Micc]

VoteCount 2.01

eyestott (1)

: MrTrow

theslimer3 (1)

: guille2015

Not Voting (4)

: Espeonage, Alchemist21, eyestott, theslimer3

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline

: The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2015-01-24 11:50:00).

[Espeonage]

Aliens have a kill, but only one and it's feasible that it would get used early seeing as the game is so small with so many ways to kill.

[Alchemist21]

We had a doctor. Why is nobody considering the doc stopped a kill?

[Espeonage]

Doc should have been on you and you shouldn't have been targeted for a kill as a result.

[Micc]

theslimer3 is being replaced by his alt account named Anti_Slimer in order to overcome some administrative issues.

[Alchemist21]

Another question. Why are people bringing up the possibility of a antitown-aligned cop? Is that something that happens in Greatest Idea games? I don't see the benefit to any scum player taking Cop. They already know who they're with and who they want dead.

[Espeonage]

Any other faction benefits from cop.

SK benefits, Wolves benefit, Aliens benefit, Survivor benefits, whichever the town originating one of Saulus and Judas benefits.

[Anti_Slimer]

Another question. Why are people bringing up the possibility of a antitown-aligned cop? Is that something that happens in Greatest Idea games? I don't see the benefit to any scum player taking Cop. They already know who they're with and who they want dead.

Any other faction benefits from cop.

SK benefits, Wolves benefit, Aliens benefit, Survivor benefits, whichever the town originating one of Saulus and Judas benefits.

Pretty much this.


@Trow: I don't think he's of the killing faction since he blatantly claimed cop after another cop did. To bold and risky for mafia or warewolf.
And we're at greater risk of being in mylo now that there's 2 townies gone. One being one of a cop. And quick lynched at that. To prevent more of that and to let this day go by more smooth, we should. Or do you agree that we should riskingly lynch someone again?


But I don't understand this doctor thing that was brought up. Why are people saying theresva third kill that was doctored? I know I'm phone posting, but that won't make content disappear

And having a lynchee

[Espeonage]

No one thinks there is a lyncher, guille misunderstood lynchbait which is what trow threw away.

I said there was too few kills for guille to be town.
POE also point to guille being scum.

[Espeonage]

Actually there are also the points that his wagon action was the most typical of scum and he was buddying.

I really with diego was scum.

[eyestott]

Hey everyone. I havent read up yet, but this game is low priority at the moment as I'm near deadline for a bunch of my games.
Apologies.

[MrTrow]

lets see if i got your responses correctly (as you seem to be correct in not calling them answers)
obviously these are paraphrased

1. aren't your claim you still needed to check what actually was discarded and your claim you had found likely scum based on what was discarded, mutually exclusive statements?

i did indeed say i found likely scum based on what was discarded, clearly i needed to check what was actually discarded.
(note the actual question has not been answered)

Shrug

3. promoting 'shrug-based-play' greatly hurts the town, this is not so much a question as an accusation.
As you are a player who seems to like the articles i dare you, find me a single source that claims otherwise

Shrug.....
ow btw under 1. i believe i stated it is also ok to:
- not read the rules
- claim to scumhunt without actual scumhunt (never actually state WHY you think someone is scum), this one is repeated in 3 as well

2. warrants some actual discussion as

My vote was for pressure and is outlined in my post above. I was sure I'd found scum after I applied pressure though so I had no reason not to push through the lynch

Sounds reasonable apart from one detail (the 'failed to parse'-line comes back in that detail) which is 1 of the 2 problems i have with your claim.
the other problem i have with the claim is: why reveal it now?

But the main issue i have, i just simply can't believe you actually 'were sure you'd found scum'. (i think dedicating a separate post to this might be required)

But I was convinced that it would have been detrimental to the game if we waited. I don't think that Esp and Eyestott where wrong in thinking like that so I let it be.

Wait so you set up someone who you didn't think was scum to be hammered(eyestott stated intent to hammer

because poetry

) because you believed it would hurt the game to have more than 3 non-rvs votes? why would you think that?

Ignore the last line.

Lynchbait is a alternate way to kill lynchers.

Care to explain this post?

Oh, Ok, I thought it meant those on the Lynch wagon! Well, then disregard that assertion then.

assertion disregarded:
care to put a new clarification with your vote? (if it requires moving your vote, so be it)

@Trow: I don't think he's of the killing faction since he blatantly claimed cop after another cop did. To bold and risky for mafia or warewolf.

No it is 'to bold and risky' for a non-cop to do.
it is also 'really freakin useless throwaway of own cover' for a town cop.
A real town cop would not have said: 'as you said, his claim is BS, because i am the real cop and now i will leave for a while(shower/some more time) to give him a chance to become obv-town(which i know isn't going to happen, i just want people to SEE i'm giving people a fair chance) and hammer later'
A real town cop would have said: 'likely bullshit indeed: HAMMER' and have the 'how did you think i was so sure it was bullshit, i am the real cop' argument to justify a reveal later in the game.

there are 3 possible scenarios with his claim:
- terrible town-cop play
- brilliance beyond anything i can come up with
- standard 'grab the excuse to self-out as cop, hope others will infer towniness from it'-play perfectly matching cop-werewolf play

POE also point to guille being scum.

Care to add some reasoning?

Actually there are also the points that his wagon action was the most typical of scum and he was buddying.

I really with diego was scum.

could you explain that last line(and perhaps the line above it as well)?
it looks like you're still considering the diego-scum angle

Hey everyone. I havent read up yet, but this game is low priority at the moment as I'm near deadline for a bunch of my games.
Apologies.

Any indication when there might fall a hole in that moment?
i'm not asking when those deadlines are (as i know it is against the rules to discuss those and i already know)
i'm asking when you might be bothered to address things like:

- hammer for poetry
- why did you counter-claim cop when you could have just hammered?
- why did you popcorn to your innocent?

O dear lynch-leader.
i might even consider dropping issues like
- defense by same poetry
- disappearance act at time of lynch-leader

[MrTrow]

the 'case' against diego(hey look, he just got promoted: no longer listed as 'goon'):

• this christmas votes diego (rvs). (his only vote the entire game)
  
• diego rvs-votes
  
• alchemist votes diego (rvs)
  
• espeonage votes diego (for wagon)
  
• eyestott claims he will 'rvs-sheep diego but not until he explains' (something that has already been explained, by eyestott himself no less) then asks us to forget this ever happened
  
• diego fails to check motivation of his unvote when placing a new vote, gets called
  Contrived
  for it. (empty addition of pressure i assume)
  
• guile puts diego at L-1, with a partial reveal demand because 'as esp pointed out crappy discard' (nope, didn't happen, did it?, guille explain(again i do see an explanation, but don't believe you could do worse)) and pulled a newbie, by staying in rvs for no reason
  
• espeonage adds pressure by pointing out the
  Contrived vote
  is on practically confirmed town (more of a newbie tell than a scum-tell if you ask me)
  
• espeonage and eyestott both consider 'not knowing the difference between cop and vanilla-cop' a lynch-worthy-offence
  
• eyestott makes his intent to hammer explicit (after already demanding a claim, which received a 'not within 24 hours please')
  
• diego claims having chosen cop over mason
  
• espeonage calls BS: having a strong role the second you need a claim, also cop was the wrong choice (again scum because newbie-mistake(that wasn't there but that's not the issue))
  
• espeonage calls 'cop wouldn't call cop-discard 'meh' '
  
• eyestott counterclaims and asks permission to hammer (which he instantly receives)
  
• Diego asks and receives(esp) explanation of the difference between vanilla/regular cop
  
• eyestott asks permission to hammer AGAIN (acknowledges having received the previous permission) from the very same person (again received instantly)
  
• diego reveals crumbs and calls eyestott to investigate him
  
• guille dismisses crumbs as newbie-useless
  
• espeonage calls diego's cop claim 'based on discussion on how good the cop actually is' (when calling for 'no investigation on me, protection over there')
  
• guille unvotes because of crumbs
  
• espeonage says: crumb? shrug, i don't buy it
  
• guille actually advocates against the diego-lynch
  
• espeonage claims one who doesn't think cops are such a big deal would have taken mason, which are super obviously awesome (which they aren't: awesome: debatable, obvious: absolutely not(by the rules practically guaranteed to be useless actually))
  
• guille actually cracks the case: diego is a newbie
  
• eyestott demands guilles vote on diego because poetry
  
• espeonage counters newbie argument with 'mason is listed everywhere as super obviously awesome, ESPECIALLY a newbie would pick this': espeonage please find me this 'no way a newbie would have missed this'-location which states mason>>cop, i can assure you, the rules state otherwise.
  
• eyestott claims 'the need to breadcrumb' is reason to convict: despite having started a discussion thread about this subject himself (thus knowing fully well, this not being obvious to newbies. The moment this game ends, this story goes to that thread)
  
• guille disagrees with mason>>cop but places his vote back regardless (later revealed because he was convinced super-short days are good: still waiting on the why of that one)
  
• guille calls for time to allow others to respond (receives instant no from both esp and eye)
  
• eyestott claims hammer, yet grands another 'time to post'
  
• diego requests tips for next game (genuine newbie stuff) receives(esp), nope you need to be hammered first(go read on how to fakeclaim)
  
• eyestott tests diego's role PM, diego passes
  
• eyestott pulls a vote-gambit (the detail it wouldn't work by rules is hardly relevant)
  
• eyestott HAMMERS diego for not lying(admitting he noticed the gambit)

If anyone sees a misrepresentation here, please point them out (if not please say so explicitly)

[Anti_Slimer]

I guess I see what you're saying Trow. A cop for a cop gambit for town is a terrible idea, but let's say we flip the scope and say it's a scum for a cop gambit, scum walk away with a smile on it's face. If this is the case scenario, then I can safely guess that if Eye is scum, he has a partner. Otherwise this is a foolish tactic.

[Alchemist21]

Slimer, who are your scumreads?

[eyestott]

Ill be here soon, Ive just got 1 game very close to EOD now.

[Anti_Slimer]

Tell me one game where that question actually got answered

[theslimer3]

Ah yes, fiinally! I forgot to check the spam folder.