Micro 438: Greatest Idea Mafia - Game Over

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Diego

[Alchemist21]

btw, not voting for a reason.

Can you name that reason?

I'm thread diving.

At the moment. I have someone i am sure is town. And I have someone who I think is likely scum.

Just based on what is chucked back.

Who's your townread based on what got tossed?

[Alchemist21]

You

How does my tossing out a 3rd party role make me Town? Why not Townread GIF as well?

[Alchemist21]

Ok, that makes sense. What about GIF discarding silencer?

[Alchemist21]

To be honest, before the reroll, I was a werewolf enabler.
I generally prefer playing as scum over town, but there are some town roles (I think my role might be one, but i havent played it before) that are exceptions.

We would have been teammates. I was werewolf 1-shot Bulletproof.

[Alchemist21]

btw istott a post of yours this page pinged me. I might come back to it tomorrow.

im putting off vote for a few minutes.
In your pm, do you determine guilt, or mafianess?

Mafianess

okay,my hats what I've got. Still, you might not nessesarily be town, even if you are cop (unlikely).

V0te: Diego

So, what are you really?

Was this 141 of his the post that pinged you?

[Alchemist21]

I'm liking mrtrow's argument against Eye's claims here. But Eye has a pretty scope on the mass claim thing here. Despite his logic for doing so, this may well be lylo.
I don't think he's a cop, and I don't trust his result, but somehow I don't think he's scum. Especially not the one to preform the night kill. Probably because of his hammering a cop.

So you think he is a townie who fake-claimed cop to get someone (who flipped cop) lynched?
Sorry but one of us is missing something here.

Also, yes it is possible we are in mylo.
So?
The only reason we know we weren't in lylo yesterday is the fact espeonage and eyestott rammed through a town-lynch and the game didn't end

Do you see any possible outcome of this mass-claim, where powers and allignments don't need to have anything to do with one-another, that would make the D1 lynch any less scum-driven?
Or any other effect on allignment?
(e.g. even it it were to convince you eye is indeed a cop, how would that exclude the possibility of a werewolf-alligned cop?)

Alchemist:
what do you think about my assessment the lynch must have been scum-driven?

Well there was Christmas, but his RVS on Diego was the only post he had. Eyestott might actually be Town. I don't see scum motive in how he was claiming Cop D1. I think Guille looks pretty scummy. He initially pushed the wagon to L-1. He unvoted sometime later, but Eyestott somehow magically convinced him Diego was scum.

I think if there's a second scum here, it's Guille, but I'd say the wagon was more derp-driven than scum-driven.

[Alchemist21]

And this still doesn't cover;
1. Why he took Cop when he didn't think it was that big of a deal when he also had MASON. and
2. Why he wouldn't just take Mason from those cards in the first place which is the stronger role.

I wold have taken Cop rather than Mason. I actually did take Cop over Mason in my last roll. I don't see how mason is a better role. And Any Newbie would think like that.

alright you have convinced me.

VOTE: Diego

@Trow, here we see Guille trying to say how Diego's cop claim is feasible, but then suddenly voted because he was convinced. Convinced by what? It's not even clear who convinced him.

You might have a point about Esp though. I didn't catch his scumminess at first, but looking back I saw where he explicitly said he didn't mind a short D1.

I'll need to look back at the context of Eyestott's claim, but my gut still tells me he's telling the truth.

[Alchemist21]

Ok, Eyestott was counterclaiming Diego's Cop claim. It seems reasonable to me to think he'd take the 1-for-1 trade because he thought he was catching scum.

I think I want Esp and Guille both dead now.

[Alchemist21]

should I really?

Yeah, looking from it, he's not receiving help and town players are likely to be loaded with useful actions.

Just from a theory perspective, this exists in the night is important part of Nati's spectrum.

Which is why I don't mind a stupidly short day phase

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The wording of "wanted" doesn't make it sound better anyway.

[Alchemist21]

We had a doctor. Why is nobody considering the doc stopped a kill?

[Alchemist21]

Another question. Why are people bringing up the possibility of a antitown-aligned cop? Is that something that happens in Greatest Idea games? I don't see the benefit to any scum player taking Cop. They already know who they're with and who they want dead.

[Alchemist21]

Slimer, who are your scumreads?

[Alchemist21]

Tell me one game where that question actually got answered

Then what do you think of Guille?

[Alchemist21]

Votes on Slimer are bad and based on bad PoE.

[Alchemist21]

Eyestott claimed cop. You say Guille is softclaiming something (mason?). Where is your claim?

[Alchemist21]

Is your PGO active or passive?

[Alchemist21]

@Slimer, why would Town fake being a cop? It doesn't make sense for you to have a PR reason for doubting his cop claim and still think he's Town.

[Alchemist21]

Me?

I'm a 1-shot Dayvig.

Lol

[Alchemist21]

Of course.

[Alchemist21]

I'm really considering killing between Slimer and Eyestott right now to sort out these claim discrepencies. Wanted to shoot Guilee until now.

[Alchemist21]

What were your three cards?
Espeonage too.
In fact, everyone, what were your three cards?

Town Lover (alignment)
Town 1-shot Dayvig (role)
Alien Vanillaiser (discarded)

What were yours?

[Alchemist21]

Still waiting for Eyestott to say what his cards were.

[Alchemist21]

Also waiting for Slimer to respond to my post directed at him.

[Alchemist21]

How much more info does stott's flip give than telling us slimer's alignment?

[Alchemist21]

Trow makes some good points. At this point, I want to vig Slimer. If he flips Town, I'll vote eyestott. If he flips scum, I'll vote Esp.

[Alchemist21]

I'm waiting for their responses too.

[Alchemist21]

We get both, so it's not a waste.

[Alchemist21]

I've heard all I needed to hear.

Dayvig: Slimer

If he's Town, I'm voting Eyestott. If he's scum, then Esp.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Espeonage

[Alchemist21]

Alch.

1. Having a treestump is better than a dead slot in case that slot is town.
2. If we lynch AND get a treestump we are looking at a two player endgame which is a loss for town if one is scum.
3. Therefore it is statistically better to do the treestump over a lynch.

Now I know that happens to work out great for me due to the PGO probably still being up.

Say we no lynch, Treestump Trow, someone gets night killed.

Guille will be basically clear seeing as he isn't regular vig and not mafia, stott looks pretty ok at the moment and you are pretty clear.
That leaves me as the lynch tomorrow anyway if you want to push for it then.

That is the best play for town as far as I can see.

Who claimed treestump?

[Alchemist21]

EBWOP: *bloodsucker, not treestump

[Alchemist21]

UNVOTE:

I'll decide later when my brain's not running on fumes. I'm getting paranoidd on a couple levels here.

[Alchemist21]

Btw, Trow, I want a full card claim from you.

[Alchemist21]

.@Trow, do you have to announce making a player unlynchable in the game thread BEFORE the hammer? Can you self-target?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Espeonage

I feel better about Esp being scum than Trow.

[Alchemist21]

Trow.

[Alchemist21]

@guille, how was that a good thing?
p-edit: so what would you have done if you read it?

I would have advocated for your Lynch rather than Esp. You'd govern yourself and I would have targeted ESP during the night.

I would have voted Trow first to avoid his being lynch immune today, but I PM'd the mod and got conformation that gov. Could not self target.

[Alchemist21]

I missed the just ask part. Where was that?

[Alchemist21]

I missed the just ask part. Where was that?

@Townies (for those who (chose to?) not pay attention, i mean alchemist and guille here) if you have considered this situation and need me to confirm this power i will. (voting me will have the same effect, except it allows esp and eye a shot at a quickhammer should they be aligned, so please, just ask)

note that at the time i wrote this i was still under the impression i could self-target (when you asked me if i could i replied (among,

checking now

and

you should assume i can regardless of my answer

) wouldn't effect my ability to confirm(and waste) my ability

My death was not in vain(?)

It sure wasn't.
It basically was the misinformation that got me killed.
I still don't get why the 2 of you made the choice to target the (not so) soft PGO, but yes it did help the town out greatly
If Tree shot esp pure on the 'instruction given to guille', that would have been not the best move(even if he didn't see the PGO-claim)
If he believed the instruction was to be followed, anything other than shooting guille would have gotten him killed (admittedly, not known at that time)
If he had read the instruction, he would have seen the 'only if diego flips groupscum' part

I'm just glad that my poor play didn't lose it for the team! For a game that I played less than 24 hours, I truly learned a lot about the game. Especially what not to do!! I've been thinking about it. Should I have even claimed anything before the lynch? I know never to lie as town, but I feel that the claim was actually the last straw.

I can't find any poor play on your part. (true you clearly were the newest player around but)
The crumb (though i believe it should not be needed nor blindly trusted) was not only perfectly executed but also called upon at the time it mattered to do the only thing a role-crumb is good for. to prove early intent to claim this particular role should you ever have the need to claim.
The fact you still got lynched 'for making up the cop-claim based on discussion 'how good the role is' ' is poor play. but not yours.

@esp: you also assumed to know what my role was: what did you assume?

For whatever reason, making you confirm your ability never crossed my mind (I'm gonna chalk that up to sleep deprivation I had during all my D2 posts). I asked the mod privately if gov. could self-target and was told no, so I felt safe taking the risk that you were scum gov. and not scum unlynchable going into lylo. Someone please slap me the next time I take a risk like that.

[Alchemist21]

The risk was assuming you really were governor and not an unlynchable. That's what I first got paranoid about when you wouldn't claim.