NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

[TheDudeAbides]

but maybe dragonspawn cause hero-complex.

[I Am Innocent]

@IAI

IAI's p583 feels out of place to me. In p486 he supports the Wagon and says that if DGB shifts, he'll follow. She does. He doesn't. At the time of 583, pen is L-2 and DGB has been on the Wagon for ~2 pages. He admits his Vote is useless and there's definitely room on the Wagon, but he tries to start a FlashMob on Nero. After the Claim, he lightly prods pen, but still doesn't really take a stance.

It's interesting that in your very next contribution after I posted this, you put in a soft push against me. It's also interesting that as of page 21, you are "very confident in your Town Read" on me. The vast majority of behaviors that Jogger is screaming about occurred while this was the case. At what point did you change your mind? You clearly didn't disagree with my stance on pen's Claim; you posted after I did and questioned pen expressing doubt.

Question time!

1. <

see above re: your Read change

>
2. What is your response to the above quote?
3. What is it that about Jogger's case on me that you most agree with?
4. How much stock do you put in meta?
5. What is your Read on Kthx?

1) My town read was based on your reaction to TDA. You totally diffused that wagon, which based on my read of TDA was very town. Since then, you've lost points. Your wagon on pen (which was your only vote D1 btw), whether I agreed with it or not, flipped town. I feel randomidget is an easy wagon too. And Kid A as well. I don't feel you have gotten your hands dirty, it feels like you keep going after the low hanging fruit (TDA wagon aside).

2) I think that quote totally characterizes how I felt. I like multiple wagons. We had two large wagons D1, as someone pointed out, with many of the same people. Neither wagon crossed with the others. I feel like multiple wagons gets information. With more than 1 wagon, there is a greater chance at one of those wagons including scum. Which forces the scum to bus, vote a counterwagon, or try to start a new wagon. We gained none of that information D1 because there was never any CWs.

Long story short, I was okay with Pen, but I personally would have rather seen a 2nd wagon. My preference at that moment was it be Nero, which nobody agreed with.

3) Jogger hasn't swayed me, my read on you is based on gut/feelings from #1 above. Like I said earlier, this doesn't feel like the same d3x from YCBA 2.

4) Not as much as Pirate Mollie, but I do put some stock in meta. Like I said in #3, your game feels different from our last together, yet garmr's feels the same. Early on in a game, that holds quite a bit of weight, at least until we get some scum flips.

5) kthx also feels a bit different from last game. Not a fan of his two votes (NJ or randomidget) either. Tho I will say randomidget lurking is not making me feel great about my town read there. NJ is coming off as very town in my eyes.

[I Am Innocent]

Would lynch PB even more now that he has posted rubbish.

I'll be surprised if PB is scum.

Why is this?

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: randommidget

because he seemed to do yesterday is demand we rush a lynch on someone without actually caring who it was. Which of course avoids discussion and brings on the night phase.

Hey Dragon Spawn, when did you change your mind about me?

IAI and TDA are pushing the fact that there HAS to be scum in the hood, do you think this is valid.

Well, I don't think there has to be scum in the hood, but you were scummy anyway. It's just that it happened in the hood.

I'm pretty much ignoring those not voting or off the wagon yesterday as there are so many damn'ed people.

Scum avoid wagons on town, so this is silly.

Why aren't you voting me then?

I only get one vote.

i think she changes her reads in an unnatural way

and you thought that maybe you'd get her lynched yesterday without informing anyone of that fact.

At this point, if DGB is scum, bets are kid's a buddy.

Vote: Kid A

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Why on earth should we policy lynch ika so early in the day simply because he likes hammering L1 and when we have scum suspicions? It's fairly easy at his point to keep ikas hammering tendencies from causing problems. Dont put anyone at L1 until we want them lynched.

id much rather scum hunt than policy lynch at this point. Besides a PL let's the scum do nothing and move close to winning. Unless ika is scum for some reason. Did anyone read alt who he replaced as scum?

can we pretty please lynch this

ok, Kthx is solid Town. Nothing will change that... ever.

@Kthx- Kid A and midget are really high up on my list. Them Voting DGB in tandem make me less worried about her than I previously was. I have Jogger as VI. I'd have him as mostly Town if not for a few finer points {hypocrisy over his pen Vote being a main one}. I feel like ika's lolHammer was largely alignment neutral. You'd expressed intent to Hammer, so what would be the Scum motivation of jumping in there and dropping it? That Wagon wasn't going anywhere.

@Mod

- This game being flavorless, would you post a different Killing type if there were multiple Killing factions?

Vote:Kid A

this is the mafia vote on my wagon btw

I was wrong, kid a is town.

I still don't like those on DGB's wagon

why are you town reading dub?

I'm not interested i lynching Random Midget.

On an unrelated note, I'm not interested in reading the exchange between Garmr and NJ.

We could lynch Garmr, since I'm pretty sure he's doing all he can to make the game unreadable.

I haven't changed my mind about you at all. You are probably a poorly playing townie who would be a great policy lynch. But when you have scum suspects they get voted on prior to a policy lynch. Like what I said day one when I stopped voting for you. Nothing has changed since then.

[I Am Innocent]

Food for thought everyone, a player votes 4 times D1, 3 different players.

Someone is then lynched, and their role is revealed.

A kill at night happens, another role is revealed.

Lots more information to use, yet this player goes thru all of D2 up to this point, 26 posts in all D2, still without a vote.

What is your take on that peeps?

[dragonspawn]

but maybe dragonspawn cause hero-complex.

I'm probably going to regret this, but hero complex?

[dragonspawn]

Food for thought everyone, a player votes 4 times D1, 3 different players.

Someone is then lynched, and their role is revealed.

A kill at night happens, another role is revealed.

Lots more information to use, yet this player goes thru all of D2 up to this point, 26 posts in all D2, still without a vote.

What is your take on that peeps?

that it's about time for a vote. Everyone should have suspicions on someone by now.

[TheDudeAbides]

Would lynch PB even more now that he has posted rubbish.

I'll be surprised if PB is scum.

Why is this?

I think his thought processes are strongly town.

For the most recent example:

right now after looking at things I do not think there is scum in gamr, nj, or dx3... they are twisting around each other and lots of confirm bias imo...

There's the typo, that if he made as scum, I'd be surprised.
But the thought process is that he's looking for scum, their buddies and at people's interactions.
The thought process is clear, but the argument's not so great - he'd be easy to challenge on this. Scum would want to be on more solid ground, I think.

[TheDudeAbides]

I haven't changed my mind about you at all. You are probably a poorly playing townie who would be a great policy lynch. But when you have scum suspects they get voted on prior to a policy lynch. Like what I said day one when I stopped voting for you. Nothing has changed since then.

But at some point you thought I was scum, yeah?

[TheDudeAbides]

At this point:

town

gamr
d3x

leaning scum
TDA
IAI
kill

everyone else is fairly null at this point

[TheDudeAbides]

but maybe dragonspawn cause hero-complex.

I'm probably going to regret this, but hero complex?

No one is listening to me about you, so I'd love to be the hero and make you flip.

[StrangerCoug]

These people:
Albert B. Rampage
d3x
Kthxbye
StrangerCoug
Flubbernugget
NakedJogger
Kid A
PeaceBringer
randomidget



Need to lynch these people:

Ika
dragonspawn
DrippingGoofball
YuniChikako

Then we'll be in a good position.

Could you reiterate for me why you think those four are scum? Because I've got somebody outside your four that I'm pretty convinced is scum based on his weak reasoning for voting killapenwin (now flipped town) and shoddy as all hell counterattack against me when I called him out on it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

These people:
Albert B. Rampage
d3x
Kthxbye
StrangerCoug
Flubbernugget
NakedJogger
Kid A
PeaceBringer
randomidget



Need to lynch these people:

Ika
dragonspawn
DrippingGoofball
YuniChikako

Then we'll be in a good position.

Unvote, vote ika

[PeaceBringer]

Fail. Try again.

I think I got games confused there, sorry...

[PeaceBringer]

FYI- Strangecoug has not OMGUS me in this game. :bag:

[Flubbernugget]

@mod, about to get hit with 2 feet of snow, and possible power outages. V/LA until Saturday

(longest I've been without power since I moved up here was 4 days)

Getting hit with the same

shit

storm. Yay climate change (as I sit in a warm room with about 6 different devices plugged in and turned on)

[Flubbernugget]

Hey peace let's talk about why your vote isn't on dgb

[dragonspawn]

I haven't changed my mind about you at all. You are probably a poorly playing townie who would be a great policy lynch. But when you have scum suspects they get voted on prior to a policy lynch. Like what I said day one when I stopped voting for you. Nothing has changed since then.

But at some point you thought I was scum, yeah?

Yeah but I decided scum wouldn't be so blatantly dishonest and draw as much negative attention to themselves

[PeaceBringer]

Hey peace let's talk about why your vote isn't on dgb

because I haven't voted anyone, and she maybe mistaken, I asked a question, I did not call her scum. Her response to me questioning her as me eyebrow raising. I clearly also got to get my bearing straight as had an element off kilter. There is something strange with IAI and DGB and this is a normal...

[StrangerCoug]

FYI- Strangecoug has not OMGUS me in this game. :bag:

You can still answer to why you voted killapenwin.

[PeaceBringer]

well I thought he might be bad and sadly I was not around to back off when he had the melt down. Did you know for fact Killapen was town? I did not.
Looking back the reaction on my mind was overblown and I had actually fully forgot what I had reacted to and it seemed a reasonable run up. What happen with his being lynched really was strange for around here and I did not anticipate what happened. I come from a philosophy and mind set of you pick a good target to run up and who is a good target is debated. Someone gets run up, make a claim you evaluate it. Here he made a claim, did so in a piss poor fashion and got hung as protown. I am not the scum involved in the killapen run up.

[PeaceBringer]

let me had that I have probably made 10's of thousands of flawed votes in the past decade...I will likely make many more. I probably made some this game...

[PeaceBringer]

and strangcoug, I ask you why you pick my vote to question and lock onto, why not some others?

[PeaceBringer]

and let me add, there is an old adage that often comes into play. You cannot make and omelet with out breaking some eggs...

[Flubbernugget]

Hey peace let's talk about why your vote isn't on dgb

because I haven't voted anyone, and she maybe mistaken, I asked a question, I did not call her scum. Her response to me questioning her as me eyebrow raising. I clearly also got to get my bearing straight as had an element off kilter. There is something strange with IAI and DGB and this is a normal...

So you saw something that caught your attention from her but you didn't find it scummy, yet still wanted more information on it? That's....interesting

Why are you okay with not having a vote in play right now?