SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Solar Wind]

You won't take "you don't want me to explain" for an answer?

I

do

want you to explain so no I won't.

[Cephrir]

I really don't think this is a good idea :/

[Cephrir]

I wish I had a hydra buddy to consult.

[Solar Wind]

I keep thinking about stuff that could make sense like multiple neighborhoods and stuff but none of it is actually making sense. You came in and posted just to me (when I hadn't posted for hours), at odds with the two other people who intervened in the conflict and pretty much exactly what you did in Tales, but contrasted with what you did in Serum and Steel. So, yeah, I'm pretty intent on getting you to explain it and I think you understand why I'm pushing on it and why I think I could glean something about your alignment from it. So, just explain it and don't make us go back and forth for another whole page. And you know if I didn't think it was alignment relevant, I probably would have dropped the issue a while ago when you first wanted to drop it.

[Cephrir]

Alright, I'm gonna phrase this as nicely as I can.

I like you. I really do. But when it comes to Tammy, based on my observations in games and some discussion thread somewhere, I think you've been a bit of a dick to her. So I interpret the continuing spat as primarily your fault. That's why I told you to stop.

I haven't been talking about it because I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but you're very insistent.

[Solar Wind]

That's dumb because it really isn't. Tales and Serum and Steel weren't my fault. The discussion thread probably was. That's a pretty ridiculous interpretation.

[Cephrir]

You're entitled to your opinion on that subject, but I don't think it's important right now.

[Solar Wind]

I don't think anyone would legitimately believe what you did. I do think scum are more likely to take the side of someone who OMGUSes a lot.

[Cephrir]

I wouldn't manipulate a personal argument to my benefit on purpose as scum. Sorry, but that's my opinion. I'm soooo glad I indulged you! Wasn't this a great idea?

[Solar Wind]

Um, Tales called. They want Fox Hound back.

[Solar Wind]

Even if you are town here, telling me you wouldn't manipulate a personal argument to your benefit IF you were scum is just wow.

[Cephrir]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Solar Wind]

Okay. Reasonably confident you are scum here.

[Solar Wind]

You've played in all the games that I've mentioned. There is literally no way you could come away with an impression that I was being a dick. Unless you think replacing out of multiple games at the same time because they got frustrated means that person causing the frustration is a dick. It happens in mafia all the time. Tales is self-explanatory really.

[Cephrir]

Well, I did.

[Cephrir]

I can hardly believe you think I'd resort to insulting you to get out of a teensy little comment.

[Solar Wind]

Well, you are scum so idc. I'd be sad if you are somehow town and misinterpreted events so badly that you came away with that impression but I don't think that's very likely.

[Solar Wind]

But you are welcome to point out where I've been a dick besides the Micro Queue.

[Cephrir]

Yes, because you couldn't possibly be biased about things you said.

Pedit: I'm really not super interested in doing that.

[Solar Wind]

I'm not biased. Every argument that happened that between me and Tammy is objectively her fault. She just makes herself look good by pretending to offer apologies (like that last Imperium post). I don't think a rational person could come away with the conclusion that you have.

[Cephrir]

I'm gonna go back to doing my catchup now.

[FourTrouble]

Why? I would love an answer that involved meta.

Answer that involves meta: F-16's emotion and timing.

I'm sure you can guess that I'd like more than this. He was plenty emotional in S&S.

I haven't read that game so my read isn't based on that. When I say emotion, what I mean is, first that F-16 is a very emotional player, and second, because of that F-16 has certain emotional characteristics that I don't think he'd ever replicate as scum without having them pointed out by someone else, because they're so understated and genuine and thus go unnoticed. For example, in Mafia on the air, there was a point where Tammy said F-16 would really hate to mislynch me -- that emotion was 100% genuine town emotion, because it's based on F-16 mislynching me a lot (like almost every game we played for over a year until more recently). That kind of emotion also lines up with F-16's feeling bad about mislynching, which is of course null, but it was more particular in my case, so it needed expression, and that the particukarity of the enotion is what made it so understated yet genuine. There wasn't any manipulation involved, which is typically the case with the expression of scum emotions.

There are a few similar moments in this game. F-16's first post, saying "holy fuck we drew town" and then asking if I was town is one of them. Of course, any scum can fake that but I know F-16 had just played with me as scum on a different site, and it kinda sucked because we both prefer playing with each other as town, and it sucks having to deceive one another, so that felt like a genuine emotion that needed expression in relation to a recent game we played. His follow up, wanting to immediately start scumhunting before the game has started just adds to that; you could telll F-16 was excited to play this game, and that's not something he'd feel as scum (might express it, to be sure, but his approach felt genuine). Admittedly, much of this is intuition at this point, but I've played a lot of games with F-16 so it's hard to explain.

The other thing here was F-16's response to Tammy's concerns earlier, starting in 532. F-16's town emotion is on full display. I'll explain that later tonight when I get home if you want; at the moment too busy to reread and explain those posts in-depth.

[mastin2]

Ceph is scum because I'm only *probably* town to him!


(Disclaimer: not actually a serious post.)

[Solar Wind]

Players of SMITE Role Madness, pick the odd one out. I even separated them with spaces.

@tammy: grow thicker skin and stop making everything about yourelf.
@falcon: stop pestering tammy. It's a damn game. If you want to troll people go on 4chan.

Tammy then talk to Dram about it he is the mod, bringing it up here in the game does not help us figure out who the scum is. All it is doing is causing drama since we can't see it unless we are in the same neighborhood. I understand why you are upset, but we really need to focus on the game.

I want to comment on something unrelated to diffuse but yeah, I got nothin. Sooo

Solarwind/Imperium dust up could be scum distancing to justify not interacting.

I don't see these players going to such measures as town. Granted, I don't know their playstyle that much so that's kinda weak, but they're both experienced veterans and know better than to be so blatantly hostile to this extent... I think.

Would somebody that knows them better chime in on this?

@iHouse

: I don't think they're distancing.

Halfway through reading the game. Not even going to pretend to offer something useful. I hope the hydra battle is distancing, because the alternative is really depressing.

You may want to skim some of that back and forth.

Jesus falcon. Stop.

Was there something specific you wanted?

Not really, I just think you'd be easier to deal with at present because you aren't throwing a fit and S&S has taught me not to even try reading F-16.

[Solar Wind]

@ FT, I really don't care about you explaining to Ceph why I'm town because I am town and you are town. I really want to focus more on Ceph's actual alignment.