NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

[Nero Cain]

ILLOGICAL

[TheDudeAbides]

This makes you and TTA look scummy.

I assume you mean me. How does this aply me?

dragonspawn and d3x

Dragon spaw is town and dex is probally town.

Are you calling dragonspawn town because he helped you gang up on TTA? This makes you and TTA look scummy.

first, who so TTA?

second, when did I gang up on him or her?

third, how would game and me ganging up on TTA make this TTA scummy?

I'm scum, and I'm going to pretend that I don't know what he was talking about to make a useless fucking post.

[TellTaleHeart]

Has RM flipped scum?

[Nero Cain]

Has RM flipped scum?

no

but you are saying that if RM

were

to flip scum you'd somewhat consider an ika lynch. I don't see why a RM scum flip would change anything.

[TheDudeAbides]

Garmr, what scum meta on RM are you using?

[Nero Cain]

What is your read on RM currently?

don't really care. I don't really put that much stock into him "slipping" though. What about you?

I do care, what is your read on him?

I don't think my read is important. He's just a nondescript lurker. I don't really feel like "ZOMG he's so scum!" so...gun to my head? town What do you think about him and why?

[TheDudeAbides]

So, there is no way I'd vote for Nero today.
IAI appears increasingly scummy.

[TellTaleHeart]

I don't see why a RM scum flip would change anything.

How is it taking this long to actually get to that?
F for Communication!

*sigh*


I came up with the starting point should randomidget flip scum in Post 1337 based on armchair VCA. I would expect there to be at least one scum on the Nero Cain counterwagon and I think ABR is the least town of the Nero wagoners. I would expect one or two bussers, likely later on the wagon as randomidget became a less and less salvageable slot. And I would expect one of the two vanity wagon voters [Kid A and ika] to be scum as well. There's really no principle behind the VCA I'm doing other than "scum will be kind of spread out" but I'm not even sure if that's true. I think it would be a place to start though if randomidget did flip scum.

[TheDudeAbides]

TellTaleHeart, could you bullet why you are voting for Nero?

[TellTaleHeart]

The most troublesome part of Nero's play is how the neighborhood dynamic is factoring into it's play, or rather how it's not. The early-game argument with TDA, summarized in Post 375, over what apparently happened in the neighborhood PT noticeably didn't yield a tangible

read

on TDA. The interactions with TDA, contained in Post 136, Post 375, Post 381, Post 385, Post 387, Post 391, and Post 687, are mostly concerned with defense and nitpicking at TDA's argument. Definitive reads or judgments about either d3x or TDA's alignments are completely absent and that is

not

what I would expect from someone who has an extra PT conversation going with them. Furthermore, it doesn't look like he's attempting to refine those reads at all, opting for votes on the ika policy lynch wagon and the randomidget wagon. And for all the tunneling on IAI, the case just isn't there.

As a side note, I think the overall neighborhood dynamic that Nero Cain, d3x, and TheDudeAbides have going here is very usual and counter-intuitive. The only distrust is that TDA is scum reading Nero Cain, but there's a distinct lack of synergy between the three players when it comes to reads and voting. They don't move as a block, which is what I would expect to see from 3 players who mostly trust each other who share a PT. The read from d3x on Nero Cain feels really off too, in Post 552. Since Nero Cain doesn't

really

have any solid stances, this is a really strained angle to give Nero a null-town read and I think it demonstrates a lack of skepticism on d3x's part I would expect to see in a town neighbor. I also think the reaction in Post 351 to TDA and Nero's argument is awkward because it downplays the importance of what TDA's concerns about Nero. I think it's more likely for the purpose of smoothing everything over and deflecting attention away from the goings on the neighborhood than trying to get to establish a more solid read on either Nero or TDA.

I think there's a good chance both Nero Cain and d3x are scum.

VOTE: Nero Cain

Here, let me bullet it, I guess.

[TellTaleHeart]

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Ignoring his neighbors.

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Snippy and defensive posting.

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Case on IAI is skeletal.

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Lurker wagon votes are meh.

[I Am Innocent]

Says the lurking player, who OMGUS'd me, and the reason is:

No, I did not OMGUS you, as I you voted me on nothing.

If you say so...

Nero, Kthx, Dragon, know what's funny, you don't even look at why SC or I am voting PeaceBringer.

Do you know he has 4 votes D1, 3 of which are for the two dead townies?

He defended Nero by attacking me for asking for general reads on all the players. Most likely protecting a scummate, and the scum in the Neighborhood.

Then he posts today, ONE POST AFTER GETTING A VOTE, and doesn't vote himself. Lurking, and still hasn't voted (aka taking stances).

But you three come after me because I'm posting FROM WORK (look at the time and where I live), ON MY CELL, WHICH I HATE DOING, a correction to the mod and getting my vote out there (yeah, I update my vote analysis on my work computer since I have excel on that).

So go screw yourselves.

95% likelihood of at least one scum in {Nero, Peacebringer}

The fact that the majority of the players continuing ignoring/defending these players makes me only feel better about these 2 scumreads I have.

(PS still stand by by 95% prediction there)

[TheDudeAbides]

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Ignoring his neighbors.

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Snippy and defensive posting.

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Case on IAI is skeletal.

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Lurker wagon votes are meh.

You should abandon the idea that "lurker wagon votes are meh" and vote for Ika.
hammering claimed pr trumps all of that.

[Nero Cain]

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Ignoring his neighbors.

I feel like there's very little reason to suspect either D3X or TDA beyond "OMG I'M IN A HOOD. LETS BE UNRATIONALLY PARANOID!" Even if there were scum in TDA/dx there's still 3 scum outside of the hood.

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Case on IAI is skeletal.

My case on IAI is much better than his case on me. If you had such an issue with my case on him why are you just now bringing it up?

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Lurker wagon votes are meh.

How is my thinking that Ika is lurking it out any different than you accusing DS and SC of active lurking?

[I Am Innocent]

So, there is no way I'd vote for Nero today.
IAI appears increasingly scummy.

Because I don't see why scum ika would hammer/draw attention when he could have just lurked and let flubber do it?

Or maybe it is because I've defended all the VI's and lurkers this game so far (you, RM, ika), that is my strategy. Defend every easy lynch in this game....Oh wait, or maybe they're all (including u) my teammates right?

When did people stop learning how to play this game? Scum don't say "Here I am, here I am". They lurk, they refuse to make stances, they go after low hanging fruit. It is a simple formula people...

Nero/Peace, will one of you two kill me tonight? Please???

PS - Nero, I thought RM was town D1, after voting 5 different players. No way his personality is one to bus, and I don't see scum RM leaving such a big trail to town players.

His lurking D2 has not giving me warm fuzzies, but I'd still say much better lynches today are you and Peace.

[TheDudeAbides]

To TTH

That first thing's not scummy. He has more of an opportunity to work out his read on me and d3x than on others.
I don't think that the second thing is a scum tell.
The third thing is too demanding at this point.

[Nero Cain]

They lurk, they refuse to make stances, they go after low hanging fruit. It is a simple formula people..

What stances has ika taken? His two votes are a hammer and a OMGUS type vote. Your formula for describing what scum do seems to fit ika well me thinks.

[I Am Innocent]

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Case on IAI is skeletal.

My case on IAI is much better than his case on me.

say it with enough conviction and people here might start believing it

[Nero Cain]

peace town
SC town
TDA is null
IAI is null

oh i guess these are his stances

[TheDudeAbides]

Because I don't see why scum ika would hammer/draw attention when he could have just lurked and let flubber do it?

No, but it's hi lighted well by the fact that this sort of view:

When did people stop learning how to play this game? Scum don't say "Here I am, here I am". They lurk, they refuse to make stances, they go after low hanging fruit. It is a simple formula people...

is too simplistic too be realistic, so I have a hard believing that you believe in it.

[I Am Innocent]

They lurk, they refuse to make stances, they go after low hanging fruit. It is a simple formula people..

What stances has ika taken? His two votes are a hammer and a OMGUS type vote. Your formula for describing what scum do seems to fit ika well me thinks.

Why would scum ika hammer if flubber was ready to? You get me past that, and I'll vote him tomorrow after you're lynched today.

[TellTaleHeart]

I swear to fucking God, Nero, you are not reading this thread and it's pissing me off to no end.

[Nero Cain]

him hammering really has no drawbacks me thinks. Do you have evidence that he does so as only town?

Why do you think there's so much more resistance to a Ika lynch than a RM lynch?

[TellTaleHeart]

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Case on IAI is skeletal.

My case on IAI is much better than his case on me. If you had such an issue with my case on him why are you just now bringing it up?

The most troublesome part of Nero's play is how the neighborhood dynamic is factoring into it's play, or rather how it's not. The early-game argument with TDA, summarized in Post 375, over what apparently happened in the neighborhood PT noticeably didn't yield a tangible

read

on TDA. The interactions with TDA, contained in Post 136, Post 375, Post 381, Post 385, Post 387, Post 391, and Post 687, are mostly concerned with defense and nitpicking at TDA's argument. Definitive reads or judgments about either d3x or TDA's alignments are completely absent and that is

not

what I would expect from someone who has an extra PT conversation going with them. Furthermore, it doesn't look like he's attempting to refine those reads at all, opting for votes on the ika policy lynch wagon and the randomidget wagon.

And for all the tunneling on IAI, the case just isn't there.

There, that big enough for you?

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Lurker wagon votes are meh.

How is my thinking that Ika is lurking it out any different than you accusing DS and SC of active lurking?

Active lurking and lurking are two different things.

[dragonspawn]

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Ignoring his neighbors.

I feel like there's very little reason to suspect either D3X or TDA beyond "OMG I'M IN A HOOD. LETS BE UNRATIONALLY PARANOID!" Even if there were scum in TDA/dx there's still 3 scum outside of the hood.

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Case on IAI is skeletal.

My case on IAI is much better than his case on me. If you had such an issue with my case on him why are you just now bringing it up?

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Lurker wagon votes are meh.

How is my thinking that Ika is lurking it out any different than you accusing DS and SC of active lurking?

how do you know there are four scum?