NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

[TellTaleHeart]

That first thing's not scummy. He has more of an opportunity to work out his read on me and d3x than on others.

An opportunity he's taking?

Alright, TDA, the case is what it is and that's your opinion of it, so I guess there's nothing I can do at this point for you.

[I Am Innocent]

When did people stop learning how to play this game? Scum don't say "Here I am, here I am". They lurk, they refuse to make stances, they go after low hanging fruit. It is a simple formula people...

is too simplistic too be realistic, so I have a hard believing that you believe in it.

No those are just a few things to go by, it is not an all inclusive list. But motivations dude, motivations...where is the motivation for scum ika to hammer and draw wrath of players like yourself the next day when he could have just let flubber do it? Do you think he is a bad scum player?

Same as you D1, I saw no scum motivation in the fact that you went after your neighbors. Heck I believe strongly that one of the three of you are scum, so the scum would be smart and NOT want to go after the neighbors creating a POE later (hence why I am less sure about Nero and d3x at this point).

It's motivation. Look at me. Do you really think 1) scum IAI would defend so many easy lynches himself (you D1, RM and ika D2) if they were town, or 2) defend lost causes like you seemed D1 and RM seems today if we were teammates? Cause I can tell you, I bus my idiot neighbors.

One of my first games as scum, Sotty nominated me for a Rookie scummy, I bussed my teammate the whole game. By the end, the only suspicion I got was because I was the last one suspecting my teammate, lol.

Look at the players, look at what they are doing, look at their motivations. If you still see mine as scummy, well then I personally think your either a poor mafia player or one heck of one (if you fooled me and ur really scum).

[I Am Innocent]

him hammering really has no drawbacks me thinks. Do you have evidence that he does so as only town?

Why do you think there's so much more resistance to a Ika lynch than a RM lynch?

Because RM has said so many things that contradict themselves.

No I don't have evidence he does so as town. I just DO NOT SEE WHAT MOTIVATION SCUM WOULD HAVE TO DO IT?

No Drawbacks, why is TDA voting ika...hmmmm?

Sorry those answers were in reverse order.

[Nero Cain]

how do you know there are four scum?

b/c I'm not a moron. 3/16 seems low and 5/14 seems high so a 4/15 split seems reasonable to me.

[I Am Innocent]

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Ignoring his neighbors.

I feel like there's very little reason to suspect either D3X or TDA beyond "OMG I'M IN A HOOD. LETS BE UNRATIONALLY PARANOID!" Even if there were scum in TDA/dx there's still 3 scum outside of the hood.

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Case on IAI is skeletal.

My case on IAI is much better than his case on me. If you had such an issue with my case on him why are you just now bringing it up?

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Lurker wagon votes are meh.

How is my thinking that Ika is lurking it out any different than you accusing DS and SC of active lurking?

how do you know there are four scum?

Good catch. Neeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooo? What say u?

[I Am Innocent]

how do you know there are four scum?

b/c I'm not a moron. 3/16 seems low and 5/14 seems high so a 4/15 split seems reasonable to me.

lol....all aboard players!!!!!! the train will soon be leaving....lol

[Nero Cain]

And how is this any diffrent than other games where I speculate on game size?

[Nero Cain]

No I don't have evidence he does so as town. I just DO NOT SEE WHAT MOTIVATION SCUM WOULD HAVE TO DO IT?

No Drawbacks, why is TDA voting ika...hmmmm?

If Ika is known for hammering why would he not hammer as scum?

[TheDudeAbides]

where is the motivation for scum ika to hammer and draw wrath of players like yourself the next day when he could have just let flubber do it? Do you think he is a bad scum player?

To create a wifom defense for himself.
I don't know Ika's scum play, so I can't pass judgement on that.

I also think that scum are more likely to play to a formula like: I hammer people at L-1, rather that play in a more nuanced style, like: I would ordinarily hammer him, but I won't this time, so I really think that the meta defense is worthless.

[PeaceBringer]

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Ignoring his neighbors.

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Snippy and defensive posting.

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Case on IAI is skeletal.

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Lurker wagon votes are meh.

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[I Am Innocent]

And how is this any diffrent than other games where I speculate on game size?

"Even if there were scum in TDA/dx there's still 3 scum outside of the hood." doesn't sound speculative, it sounds pretty certain to me.

[TheDudeAbides]

Oh, and there is scum motivation in creating a game environment where people are afraid to put other people at L-1, since it makes for a more timid town that won't run people up to put pressure on them as easily and in the long run will probably lead to prompting more claims.

[Nero Cain]

Why do you think there are less than 4 scum or more than 4 scum?

[dragonspawn]

Ika will hammer L1 regardless. I've seen him do it as scum. His hammering will not be useful in determining his role

[TheDudeAbides]

then you should vote him.

[Nero Cain]

Ika will hammer L1 regardless

EXACTLY.

[Garmr]

Garmr, what scum meta on RM are you using?

Go fudge yourself I explained it more than once. First time with as the case second time to telltale hear. Not making the same post 3 times because your lazy.

[TheDudeAbides]

Garmr, what scum meta on RM are you using?

Go fudge yourself I explained it more than once. First time with as the case second time to telltale hear. Not making the same post 3 times because your lazy.

I only found this post:

We should all compile a reads list. I'll go first. D3x is scum. Thank you.

Rinshan

If random midget flips scum I would consider naked jogger likely scum as well. I actually was going to try to keep my scum read I developed last night on random midget hidden till he gave a reads list. Naked Jogger post here was prematurely was trying to diffuse the value of my push.

Random midget is quite happy to not hunt when he is scum fire and ice There's was no hunting at all done by him just observations.

His hope game Shows as town he does have concern over who his lynches, trying to avoid a quick lynch while in this game he couldn't give a fudge.

Malas mewbie game (don't worry it's finished even through it says day 3) shows natural progress in random midgets town game. His current game has gone back to his earlier games style with some of his scum traits.

VOTE: random midget

which doesn't seem to justify this:

But look at the time line on the RM. You can see him improve game by game. He also provides more content and stays more on topic. But he reverts back to his older ways and his scum game mirrors this one even through it's subtle.

[TellTaleHeart]

Forget it. I'm done.
VOTE: ika

[Garmr]

how do you know there are four scum?

b/c I'm not a moron. 3/16 seems low and 5/14 seems high so a 4/15 split seems reasonable to me.

Nero has a system to work out a estimate amount of scum if I remember correctly.

@TDA
Because I expect you to read the actual games. Instead of being well you.

[Garmr]

@telltaleheart I don't mind voting ika but lets vote random midget first.

[TheDudeAbides]

I want to know if you are full of shit or not, so link the scum games that show what you are talking about.

[TellTaleHeart]

No, I'm through.

It doesn't matter what I say, everyone's insistent on ika or randomidget and I absolutely refuse to be on a wagon with StrangerCoug, dragonspawn, or d3x. I'll stomach Nero's company if that's my alternative.

[I Am Innocent]

Why do you think there are less than 4 scum or more than 4 scum?

Didn't u scum slip our last game together? I think someone in the dead thread caught u lol...

off to check

[Garmr]

I want to know if you are full of shit or not, so link the scum games that show what you are talking about.

His only had one fucking scum in his fucking history.