Mini 1642: The Burning (GAME OVER FLAMES HAVE ENGULFED TOWN)

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #875 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:02 am

Former, what's your response to my logic regarding the flashwagon on him from copper?

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #876 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:04 am

I'm not trying to set up Cheet for anything. In fact I'm voting Toon. Try rereading the thread, and then vote for real scum.

Formerfish · Post Post #877 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:22 am

In post 875, RadiantCowbells wrote:Former, what's your response to my logic regarding the flashwagon on him from copper?

First, I don't think its fair to call it a flash wagon. Monkey had a lot of people looking at him for scum during day 1, and when people started to reevaluate the VDA/Cop fight they either saw town in it, or were willing to wait it out a day and switched votes to another scum read. I think that we could try to use VCA later on with more flips (and a scum one would be great), but until then I am not going to put much stock in Monkey popping up instead of Copper.

In post 876, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'm not trying to set up Cheet for anything. In fact I'm voting Toon. Try rereading the thread, and then vote for real scum.

Monkey, I want to say so many things to you here but I know you have a thin skin. You do appear to be setting Cheet up for a lynch candidate. You point out that he is buddying the IC and that when you call him on it he overreacts. It also appears that you are voting Toon because he blatantly sheeped the IC when RC made it clear that it was Toon or Elb today. Don't act like you can't be working on multiple levels with plays here. And don't ever assume that my reading comprehension is subpar, that point coming from you is simply laughable. I feel like you are scum so thats where my vote is staying until I feel otherwise.

acryon · Post Post #878 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:28 am

@Fish: I feel good about Toon-scum right now, but can you give me your current case for Monkey-scum (outside of your last post)?

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #879 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:33 am

I don't have a thin skin at all.

Obviously your reading comprehension skills are lacking because you think I have only one reason for voting Toon, when I also blatantly said his relational reads were stretches. You are looking for confirmation bias when it comes to scum reading me, which is obvious on so many levels. Your original push on me early in day one for not liking RVS was crap too. In fact your overall play this game has been bad.

Formerfish · Post Post #880 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:41 am

His avoidance of most peoples questioning of him. A lack of viable scumhunting. Reachy pushes that are bad.

And scumToon=/=townMonkey.

You don't have a thin skin? I'll remember that and talk about it when I'm allowed.

And did I say that was the only reason you are voting him? I feel like I just put out a reason why I thought you were, you are adding that I think that is the only reason. So how about you read what i actually write and not add anything into it? That would be great.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #881 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:46 am

You wrote:

Formerfish wrote: It also appears that you are voting Toon because he blatantly sheeped the IC when RC made it clear that it was Toon or Elb today.

Most people would assume that if you thought I had another reason for voting you would have said so, not intentionally left it out.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #882 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:26 am

Radiant wrote:Hence me obfuscating the true purpose of the victor lynch and acting like I was about to lynch Cheeto.

Oh man. If this was seriously what you were doing D1 then I'm both sorry and impressed. If you're just trying to look cool in hindsight then how dare you.

Trying to read up while I do homework things.
I don't really like the Monkey wagon.

FF wrote:I think Cheet is not a killer, at least not last night.

Weh? I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.
I'd also like you to give your thoughts on things beyond Monkey right now. What do you make of Acryon and Elbirn?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #883 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:27 am

I wanted victor dead for the flip, not because I thought he was scum.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #884 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:28 am

Also because IC = PR heavy game and I didn't want to force any more claims.

Flames682 · Post Post #885 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:22 am

Votecount 2.03

Toon Fighter - 4 (MonkeyMan576, eektor, Elbirn, acryon)

Elbirn - 3 (Cheetory6, Toon Fighter, RadiantCowbells)

MonkeyMan576 - 2 (Boonskiies, Formerfish)

Not Voting - 1 (pieguyn)

With

10

alive, it's

6

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline is Thursday, February 19, @ 8:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2015-02-19 20:30:00).

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #886 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:52 am

In post 884, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also because IC = PR heavy game and I didn't want to force any more claims.

Why does IC necessarily = PR heavy game?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #887 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:29 am

IC is too strong for 2 scum game, but much too weak to be the only PR in a 3 scum game.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #888 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:35 am

In post 887, RadiantCowbells wrote:IC is too strong for 2 scum game, but much too weak to be the only PR in a 3 scum game.

IC isn't that strong, they are usually night kill bait.

In fact, I wouldn't call IC a power role myself.

Boonskiies · Post Post #889 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:43 am

In post 888, MonkeyMan576 wrote:
In post 887, RadiantCowbells wrote:IC is too strong for 2 scum game, but much too weak to be the only PR in a 3 scum game.

IC isn't that strong, they are usually night kill bait.

In fact, I wouldn't call IC a power role myself.

They are 100% mod confirmed town. How is that not a power role? It directly and indirectly changes the way other PR's target and helps people read others.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #890 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:47 am

Because more often than not they are killed on night 1 and a non factor for most of the game.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #891 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:48 am

I mean if you are going to call any non-VT role a power role than yes. But not if you are going to compare the relative power of roles.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #892 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:51 am

Okay, apparently wiki defines PR as any Non VT role. Personally I think some minor roles are not Power, but that is just semantics.

Boonskiies · Post Post #893 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:53 am

The IC tag is a given to protect from another town PR, if there is a protective role. If we can successfully get a NK, that's awesome. It's incredibly helpful and powerful. Also, if for some reason the IC doesn't die, we can also look into reasons why scum would choose to keep the IC alive, allowing us to analyze further. It may not be powerful directly, but indirectly it is most definitely a POWERful Role.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #894 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:54 am

Seems mostly like WIFOM to me.

Boonskiies · Post Post #895 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:58 am

I think I'm just biased and nit picky towards you because you're scum.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #896 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:00 am

Sticks and stones...

You don't think guessing as to why the IC is alive is WIFOM?

Boonskiies · Post Post #897 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:13 am

No. It's the same thing as figuring out why any confirmed town stays alive. It means they're not a threat to scum at all.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #898 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:30 am

Then I guess it's not that powerful a role, if they are not a threat.

Boonskiies · Post Post #899 (ISO) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:02 pm

The player is not the threat. The role can be and is. A vigilante isn't a threat to scum if the player's reads are horrible. If the doctor has no idea who to protect, they are also not a threat. An inventor who doesn't know what to do with inventions is not a threat. PR's don't have to be threats. Doesn't mean they aren't PR's.