Open 587 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Wisdom]

Vote Count 1.6

Albert B. Rampage (4)

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droog, Zymf, Teapot, Astinus

vettrock (3)

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archaebob, Albert B. Rampage, Sup-Zero

Teapot (1)

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Morgan

Morgan (1)

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vettrock

TheCow (1)

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texcat

Not Voting:

theslimer3, TheCow

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-02-14 21:36:32).

[vettrock]

Despite my earlier comment I see in the vote count that my vote is on Morgan rather than ABR.

VOTE: ABR

This is L-2. Given that he hasn't produced much, I do think we need to wait for a response before going any further.

Morgan is probably town. If ABR is scum, archaebob and Sup-Zero are probably town, as I don't think all of the scum would jump on the same wagon that quickly. If ABR is town, I wouldn't say they are scum, but they shift more towards null.

[Morgan]

Ugh, a lurker wagon. It burns.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: vettrock

Tied at L-2.

[Morgan]

Oh, just kidding. L-3.

[Teapot]

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

[Morgan]

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

You wanted to pressure!wagon ABR, and now suddenly the wagon is "too fast"? Your wagon hopping is what's too fast.

Someone remind me why we're not lynching this.

[TheCow]

Having a bad couple of days. Will not go inactive, I assure you.

[Morgan]

Can we wagon a lurker like ABR/Droog?
Where are the prods?

So you think Teapot is pushing a mislynch, if you believe early lurkers are town.

Nope, it's a pressure wagon. We vote somebody so they get bck in here and post, them we change votes. It useless doing it on my own hence I waited to look if other supported the idea.

So uh, VOTE: ABR
His play so far isn't town.

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

You know what's missing from this sequence of events? ABR responding to the pressure Teapot wanted to put him under, and is now disbanding for no reason.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

You wanted to pressure!wagon ABR, and now suddenly the wagon is "too fast"? Your wagon hopping is what's too fast.

Someone remind me why we're not lynching this.

We still can.

[vettrock]

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

I would normally be against a lurker wagon, but he is not just lurking, he is jumping on my wagon with basically naked votes. Am I sure he is scum? No, but of those on my wagon I consider him the most likely. As I said with 3 scum, it is likely that one of the three on my wagon is scum. I'm just not sure who it is yet.

I find it somewhat interesting that you are complaining about the speed of the ABR wagon, but have no problem jumping on my wagon that shot up nearly as fast in response to a test vote/push for Morgan (who had no votes), and my susequent move of my vote back to ABR. That and the fact that I was actually active and posting. Archbobs case on me is basically, I have been actively posting, and have not "done much". Which is basically because until recently, there wasn't much to go off of other than fluff.

and ABR's reponse to all of this is a three word post:

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

You wanted to pressure!wagon ABR, and now suddenly the wagon is "too fast"? Your wagon hopping is what's too fast.

Someone remind me why we're not lynching this.

We still can.

I guess that can be inturpreted to mean ABR thinks Teapot could be the lynch instead of me? A little more explanation would be helpful.

[Sup-Zero]

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

You wanted to pressure!wagon ABR, and now suddenly the wagon is "too fast"? Your wagon hopping is what's too fast.

Someone remind me why we're not lynching this.

Agreed.

I still don't know why Teapot wanted to vote ABR in the first place. He claimed that his play "wasn't town" but never bothered to follow up on that or explain it, either.

[texcat]

I don't get it. The ABR wagon was not too fast, the Vettrock wagon was the one that went too fast and Teapot jumps off one and onto the other. I just don't get it.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Teapot

I'm not forgetting TheCow and Slimer, though. I'd still like to hear from both of them.

[Morgan]

slimer, why so useless?

[Morgan]

Also,

UNVOTE:

[theslimer3]

Are we still in RVS? Just wondering, because I'm not sure of my initial reads any more.

And I know my play is unorthodox, but that's okay. I like to be vague and not give any explicit hints as to which side I might be on.

Why would you want to play like this? It seems more disruptive to the town than to the mafia side.

So you think Teapot is pushing a mislynch, if you believe early lurkers are town.

Early lurkers tend towards town, is not the same a saying early lurkers ARE town. I could very well be a mislynch, but I don't think we are at that point yet.

What on earth makes you think that? If anything, I'd say noobscum typically likes to lurk. Not calling this a newbie game, but we do have a few newcomers.

That has to be the scummiest wall I've ever seen. I've seen some scummy walls, but that one takes the cake.

We can lynch texcat after vettrock.

I'm not quite understanding what gives Texcat priority over Vettrock. He hasn't really done anything TOO scummy in my opinion. Enlighten me. Also what makes this wall scummy? Sorry if you've answered this already, I just didn't see it.

I don't get it. The ABR wagon was not too fast, the Vettrock wagon was the one that went too fast and Teapot jumps off one and onto the other. I just don't get it.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Teapot

I'm not forgetting TheCow and Slimer, though. I'd still like to hear from both of them.

What would you like to know?

slimer, why so useless?

Sorry...

[Sup-Zero]

@slimer: The issue I had with that wall was that texcat found both Teapot and vettrock scummy, while finding almost every other player in the game suspicious for faulty reasons and voting someone who isn't even playing. (Sup only posted after I called him out, other people are lurking, etc)

Texcat has shown no real interest in sifting through any of the people she's talking about. I have yet to see her reads on any of these players and it looks like someone pushing mafia objectives and casting doubt across as many players as possible.

[Sup-Zero]

Morgan where do you stand on texcat? I think she's a pretty reliable scum hit but I noticed that you let her go. What's up?

[theslimer3]

So by that logic you're going to sheep someone else in their vaguely put scum reads and set aside your own, more thought out ones, because.... LOGIC!

[Sup-Zero]

So by that logic you're going to sheep someone else in their vaguely put scum reads and set aside your own, more thought out ones, because.... LOGIC!

Arch's case is anything but vague. Did you read it? It's kind of good and I felt the same way.

[Wisdom]

Archaebob and Zymf have been prodded.

[Sup-Zero]

My biggest issue right now is that one of my top townreads left both texcat and vettrock alone, so I'm thinking that I missed something somewhere along the way since that's where my focus is at.

[Morgan]

Morgan where do you stand on texcat? I think she's a pretty reliable scum hit but I noticed that you let her go. What's up?

I was satisfied with 170 enough to let her be for a bit. Plus, she's attempting to revive the Teapot wagon, which tickled me pink.

There are bigger fish to fry, unless you want to convince me that she should be prioritized.

My biggest issue right now is that one of my top townreads left both texcat and vettrock alone, so I'm thinking that I missed something somewhere along the way since that's where my focus is at.

We can only lynch one scumspect at a time. It's no secret whom I'd prefer to hang toDay.

[Morgan]

Forgot to add, the speed of the vettrock wagon made me ponder.

[Sup-Zero]

Forgot to add, the speed of the vettrock wagon made me ponder.

What exactly are you expecting though? He has a case on him, so it's not like it's some flashwagon with nothing behind him.

[Morgan]

I'm mostly talking about ABR's and Teapot's vote.