Mini #1647: Eine Kleine Nacht-Mord, Game Over

[prawneater]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LlamaFluff

[Derangement]

Essentially, yes. Cogito Ergo Sum is a known quantity, but he hasn't played in a while; I doubt an all-newbie scum team would have gone for him when we have more prolific veterans in this game. To make it extra clear, though, LlamaFluff and I have been opposite alignments in 4 of the 6 games that we've played together.

Where are you going with this?

I was both making sure you weren't being ironic when you said you were serious, and hoping to get a better idea of what the history you mentioned between the two of you was.

The added explanation of

why

you think the scum team has at least one of those people helps, too, since I didn't realise he was not active as of late.

Thanks for clearing that up, on all counts.

[Onion Bubs]

See, I'm not sure I buy what you're saying Equinox. Admittedly though, right now there's not an awful lot to go on beyond your hypothesis and I'd have to see something from LlamaFluff before I can come down on either of you.

What I can do, however, is this:

UNVOTE: onion
VOTE: prawneater

I don't know if you noticed, but LlamaFluff already has three votes on him. What makes you think he needs a fourth?

[prawneater]

Because L-3 is pretty far away from lynch. L-2 is much better.

[Derangement]

Because L-3 is pretty far away from lynch. L-2 is much better.

Would you also have voted if he'd been at L-2, before your post?

[petroleumjelly]

Day One, Vote Count #1

LlamaFluff – 4 – ChannelDelibird, TellTaleHeart, Equinox, prawneater
ChannelDelibird – 1 – Untrod Tripod
Derangement – 1 – onion
Onion Bubs – 1 – Derangement
prawneater – 1 – Onion Bubs
TellTaleHeart – 1 – GuyInFreezer

With

11 alive

it takes

6

to lynch and

4

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is

March 5, 2015, at 6:45 AM PST

.

Not Voting – 2 – Futan, Llamafluff

[Onion Bubs]

It's still three votes prawneater. Plus, even if I'm not entirely on board with Equinox's hypothesis, it's still a serious attempt at making a case against someone. I don't believe LlamaFluff would be chillin' like chill in those circumstances but then suddenly feel the pressure to do something when a fourth vote gets put on him.

Then again, so far I've only played in games where three votes = L-2, so maybe there's something you know that I don't.

Anyway:

let the NK speculation begin

Any reason why, after you say this, you don't then go and do some speculatin' yourself or give your thoughts on the speculations of others?

[prawneater]

Because L-3 is pretty far away from lynch. L-2 is much better.

Would you also have voted if he'd been at L-2, before your post?

Maybe.

It's still three votes prawneater. Plus, even if I'm not entirely on board with Equinox's hypothesis, it's still a serious attempt at making a case against someone. I don't believe LlamaFluff would be chillin' like chill in those circumstances but then suddenly feel the pressure to do something when a fourth vote gets put on him.

Then again, so far I've only played in games where three votes = L-2, so maybe there's something you know that I don't.

We want pressure on LlamaFluff. Do you disagree?

[Untrod Tripod]

let the NK speculation begin

I'd have left CES alive if I were scum. I was looking forward to playing with him.

[Untrod Tripod]

unvote, vote llamafluff

squeal like a piggy

[Untrod Tripod]

Any reason why, after you say this, you don't then go and do some speculatin' yourself or give your thoughts on the speculations of others?

yeah this is definitely a townpost yessiree nothing weird or awkward here

[Untrod Tripod]

can we please lynch LlamaFluff before he even posts that would just make my fucking year

[onion]

we're really going to need a method to this madness, otherwise terrible stuff is surely going to happen. I'd prefer to do it 'I am onion, he is Bubs' but if that's unacceptable we could totally do something else like giving someone a dumb nickname such as 'i am onion, he is stupidpants'. So long as we pick a method early and stick to it without changing, we might stand a chance.

[Derangement]

unvote, vote llamafluff

squeal like a piggy

Heads up! This puts LlamaFluff at L-1

I know we're not in a newbie game, but I'd still like to point it out, just in case someone decides to 'accidentally' drop a hammer without declaring intent first.

can we please lynch LlamaFluff before he even posts that would just make my fucking year

How is this a good idea?
I literally can't see

any

upside to that kind of play, and don't think town should base a lynch on statistics for someone's roles in previous games alone.

UNVOTE: Onion Bubs
VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Untrod Tripod]

holy SHIT how dense are you

[Untrod Tripod]

at the very least I've cleverly managed to catch town^

[Derangement]

we're really going to need a method to this madness, otherwise terrible stuff is surely going to happen. I'd prefer to do it 'I am onion, he is Bubs' but if that's unacceptable we could totally do something else like giving someone a dumb nickname such as 'i am onion, he is stupidpants'. So long as we pick a method early and stick to it without changing, we might stand a chance.

Good idea!

His signature says we can call him Bubs, so I think I'll do that from now on, to make our lives easier.
I usually prefer to write a player's full name when voting/unvoting, but in this case, I'll make an exception for the sake of all our (hypothetical) sanities.

[Untrod Tripod]

I like this guy

let's keep him

[Derangement]

holy SHIT how dense are you

I'm pretty dense, apparently.

If you're trying to say that only scum votes someone who's at L-1, then I disagree.
I have already witnessed town derp-hammering before, so now I try and make sure that doesn't happen (whenever it does, if the lynchee flips town, the next day is an almost guaranteed mislynch).

Did I miss something?

[Untrod Tripod]

if anyone outside of a newbie game derphammers someone WHO HASN'T EVEN POSTED then they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell

[Derangement]

if anyone outside of a newbie game derphammers someone WHO HASN'T EVEN POSTED then they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell

See, I agree with this!
What bothers me is that you assume any player worth their salt will know not to derphammer, but put Llama at L-1 anyway, hoping to catch scum who do.

I don't think intelligence (or its absence) is alignment indicative.
The way I see it, you created an opportunity for an accident to happen.

[Onion Bubs]

We want pressure on LlamaFluff. Do you disagree?

Three votes was enough pressure. Four was starting to look like an attempt to quicklynch.

Dear everyone who disagrees with me when I say that three votes is enough pressure:

Sincerely yours,
Bubs

PS: Expect more of these animated gifs in the future as long as I am alive.

[LlamaFluff]

Vote GIF

His response to Equinox putting him in the group that has played with CES and calling him scum was to question him being in there. Not trying to actually question the validity of it but concerned with being a part of it.

Would also vote UT

[Derangement]

Dear everyone who disagrees with me when I say that three votes is enough pressure:

<snipped gif>

Why?

</snip>

How much pressure is enough is a subjective thing.
Personally, I think that unless people raise

very

compelling arguments about why someone is scum, or a wagon grows enough to threaten a lynch if just a few more people join it, accused scum can give staggered, vague, or incomplete answers in hopes that people get distracted by something else before there's any

real

danger.

Three votes puts Llama at only L-3: Enough to know people suspect him, but still some wiggle room.
L-2, on the other hand, presents a very solid motivation to address people's concerns.

I feel the need to point out, however, that I am

not

comfortable with an L-1 this early, especially on someone who hadn't posted yet.

PS: Expect more of these animated gifs in the future as long as I am alive.

Haha, fun to know!
Just please keep in mind that, due to severe limitations on my mobile data plan, I might have images turned off while browsing somewhere without a WiFi network (like when I'm commuting).

Please try to ensure any important messages aren't image-only, or I might accidentally miss them.
Thanks!

[Untrod Tripod]

derangment

we get it

you're town