New York 180 (Endgame)

[Ozgin]

So I'm reading the thread and asking myself "why is the NJ wagon happening?"

Because I still don't have a clue why it exists and nobody seems willing or able to tell me why.

While anyone is at it, can someone give me the run-down on both the wagons currently? It'll help me catch up quicker.

Also, read ika's ISO for Votecounts, and I noticed something funny: SilverWolf has been the 3rd vote on every major wagon after the first VC, which is interesting to me. 3rd and 4th votes always seem to be where wagons tend to start, and I read on a mafia tell wiki that it's actually a pretty scummy thing to do (I think it was JEEP's tells, but from what I understand they're outdated-ish?). I dunno, just a strange happenstance I noticed. Doing more reading now.

Anybody's particular ISOs I should look at first? I'm already going to do klings, NJs, and MathBlade (because of that Ellie post just now).

[Wake1]

Wake, town can figure out a game by talking to people, asking questions, and skimming ISOs. Scum have trouble faking that so they sit on their hands and complain about how many pages they missed.

Speaking of asking questions, you ignored me twice, which makes your post ironic.

As for your second statement, you're woefully incorrect. Never make assumptions about Scum, or what you think they would do.

[Shinobi]

Oic.

The point on NJ voting because someone else "voted town" is actually kind of okay but that's about it.

[Boonskiies]

So I'm reading the thread and asking myself "why is the NJ wagon happening?"

Because I still don't have a clue why it exists and nobody seems willing or able to tell me why.

While anyone is at it, can someone give me the run-down on both the wagons currently? It'll help me catch up quicker.

Also, read ika's ISO for Votecounts, and I noticed something funny: SilverWolf has been the 3rd vote on every major wagon after the first VC, which is interesting to me. 3rd and 4th votes always seem to be where wagons tend to start, and I read on a mafia tell wiki that it's actually a pretty scummy thing to do (I think it was JEEP's tells, but from what I understand they're outdated-ish?). I dunno, just a strange happenstance I noticed. Doing more reading now.

Anybody's particular ISOs I should look at first? I'm already going to do klings, NJs, and MathBlade (because of that Ellie post just now).

Elusive and Ellie are scummy.

[Boonskiies]

Also, ABR's ISO is worth a look into; he claimed tracker, and we don't know if he's scum falsely fake claiming, scum actually fake claiming, town actually claiming, or town fake claiming.

[Boonskiies]

And Viking had a cop claim in there somewhere that some people are doubting.

[Boonskiies]

Gosh, I know this game much better than I thought!

[Ellie]

Oh? Mathblade is the one pushing it? Yeah, nope. Not voting NJ now. I didn't know math was a leading person pushing that wagon. Thought she was just trying to randomly join and attempt to explain.

Mm yes, that's a good way to avoid considering her points. Good technique.

[Kitz]

The point on NJ voting because someone else "voted town" is actually kind of okay but that's about it.

That someone else would be me, and that's why I got tunneled stupidily by NJ.

[Wake1]

I'd like to know why ABR claimed Tracker when he wasn't even at L1.

[Shinobi]

Also, ABR's ISO is worth a look into; he claimed tracker, and we don't know if he's scum falsely fake claiming, scum actually fake claiming, town actually claiming, or town fake claiming.

How about you draw a conclusion instead of posting a bunch of nothing?

Pedit: Stop talking about the fakeclaims because no other lynches are going to happen besides Klingon or NJ.

[MathBlade]

MathBlade, I was scared of being my fluffy self (also trying to be a teensy bit more serious because like SW admonished me in Stern Tone Of Silver).

However, blatantly thefting myself:

However, this leads me into Fluffy Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R, xo)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your favoritest color for flowers?
3. Are you scum?
4. If you could turn into an animal, what would it be?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

P.S. Re: trouble - I think storms manifest towards me and catch me up. It might be because I feel bad for them. Or because if you get trapped in one then you get to go to a colorful world of magic and stuffs.

Yay Lyr is being Lyr

1. Scum/3P followed by town
2. Flowers suck (sorry Lyr) but if I had to pick purple Lillies (movie reference)
3. Nope
4. A tigress
5. I like poking random things with a stick and see what things occur and if said things continue.
I also try to analyze the NK and ask why.

Abr as scum. He would be deadly.
Me as 3P because well you know why
You as scum.

@Shinobi going to address my points? Oh and VF's claim what do you think of it?

[Shinobi]

Also, ABR's ISO is worth a look into; he claimed tracker, and we don't know if he's scum falsely fake claiming, scum actually fake claiming, town actually claiming, or town fake claiming.

How about you draw a conclusion instead of posting a bunch of nothing?

Pedit: Stop talking about the possibility of fakeclaims because no other lynches are going to happen besides Klingon or NJ.

I am ashamed to have to pedit this.

But seriously, stop it. It's just white noise and none of it is relevant right now.

[Wake1]

Boonskiies, what do you make of Ellie persistently ignoring my questions?

I know she's far more active than I am, so I don't understand her excuse (if she even has one).

[Aeronaut]

I really don't like Elle either this game to be honest. Something about those questions seemed sort of out of place to me

[MathBlade]

I'd like to know why ABR claimed Tracker when he wasn't even at L1.

Neither was VF when they claimed.

[dragonspawn]

So I'm reading the thread and asking myself "why is the NJ wagon happening?"

Because I still don't have a clue why it exists and nobody seems willing or able to tell me why.

and yet people have mentioned why. In fact math mentioned it in her last posts.

and the reasoning is still better than your tso wagon.

so the real question I see is why are you so upset that some of us our suspecting NJ?

[Wake1]

Also, ABR's ISO is worth a look into; he claimed tracker, and we don't know if he's scum falsely fake claiming, scum actually fake claiming, town actually claiming, or town fake claiming.

How about you draw a conclusion instead of posting a bunch of nothing?

Pedit: Stop talking about the possibility of fakeclaims because no other lynches are going to happen besides Klingon or NJ.

I am ashamed to have to pedit this.

But seriously, stop it. It's just white noise and none of it is relevant right now.

So is it true you don't want people looking into why ABR claimed Tracker without good reason?

If it is true, then what's your motive for doing so?

[Wake1]

I'd like to know why ABR claimed Tracker when he wasn't even at L1.

Neither was VF when they claimed.

Did not know that.

Why? I don't get it.

[Boonskiies]

Also, ABR's ISO is worth a look into; he claimed tracker, and we don't know if he's scum falsely fake claiming, scum actually fake claiming, town actually claiming, or town fake claiming.

How about you draw a conclusion instead of posting a bunch of nothing?

Pedit: Stop talking about the fakeclaims because no other lynches are going to happen besides Klingon or NJ.

If you would have read, you'd know that I have drawn a conclusion. I think he's scum fake claiming, or town claiming. I also have brought up the fact that I don't want him lynched today. I don't get what your post was trying to infer.

[elusive]

Wake & Oz:

Vikingfan claimed cop at L2 or L3 I believe so there was pressure
ABR, under no pressure, claimed town tracker
Klingoncelt under light pressure (less than half a wagon) claimed Vanilla and then later claimed that town would lose if they lynched her
NakedJoggers like a few others (pisskop and Boonskiies) focused excessively on the newer players such as myself or Kitz or etc to be scum but don't really pursue\hunt\question or ignore attempts to answer questions. NakedJoggers also seemed to want to elicit reactions from me or Kitz but probably not the kind he expected. Then see MathBlade ISO.
Also resistance to NJ's lynch makes me wonder.

Boonskiies you're NOU is boring, do you have any other scumspects or want to actually lead a wagon on with you know reasoning? Also totally shipping Dragonboon or Boonspawn. Also, you a TVD fan?

[Shinobi]

@Mathblade: VF's claim is completely irrelevant to me right now. I'm going to look at your points when I get back from work, but the only one I remember being good was the point on NJ voting someone for voting town.

@DS: I'm not really upset, I just got kind of annoyed that I thought people were ignoring me so I started being more forceful. Even without reasoning I'd probably jump on the NJ wagon before the Klingon wagon.

@Wake: because ABR's claim is almost completely irrelevant information right now when there's a highly competitive lynch that ends in a few hours.

[Boonskiies]

Boonskiies, what do you make of Ellie persistently ignoring my questions?

I know she's far more active than I am, so I don't understand her excuse (if she even has one).

I think she's scum in general. She came in and started acting like certain people are confirmed town without really any good reason. She has this weird connection to elusive, who I was also finding scummy.

[MathBlade]

@Shinobi -- Instead of claiming no one wants to tell you look at my ISO I gotta go bbl
There was more than that including him doing the things he accuses Kitz of doing in the same post.

[vikingfan]

If people would actually care to look back, I was facing extremely heavy pressure and claimed at L-2. Look it up if you don't believe me.

And I too lean scum on Ellie and would be promoting her as a lynch if we had more time today.