New York 181 -- Game Over

[T S O]

Walk me through your ABR read again, Aneninen?

[T S O]

Nikanor's #725 accurately sums up my views and frustrations in relation to dragonspawn, but it's not really something that makes him scum, just playstyle.

[T S O]

I felt quite angry for life-related reasons coming into this thread and now feel quite alright. Maybe this game is more therapeutic than I had thought.

[T S O]

SilverWolf, why'd you claim? Really?

[Aneninen]

[OFF]
I'm breaking the 3-sentence rule now for this, but pleeeease, Silverwolf and House, don't escalate that! Throwing pigeon poop at each other neither helps solving the game nor making the atmosphere better.
This is a f-cking game and it's sure that everyone wants to win. Even if we're mis-reading each other many times. Weren't misreads happen, the whole Mafia would be pointless, wouldn't it? Sometimes we kick aß, sometimes our aß gets kicked. Deal with it.
[ON]

I think silver wolfs town from her reactions in this convo alone. I don't think she has the heart to fake a emotional response like that.

I

think that klingons probably the sk. She seems to have gotten wrapped up about it and by pushing the sk label on silver I think she thinks it's actually her attempt distancing herself from the role in the future.

THAT!

If I were the SK do you really think I'd tell you how I play as the SK?
Wolf does this whenever anyone votes for her. Every. time.
No one has her permission to vote for her ever, especially when she's scum, or a tantrum will ensue. It gets old.

Wait-oh, this has just burnt my scum-o-meter into ashes. I'm unsure whether she's Mafia or SK but she must be scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingonette

[T S O]

Shiro, you don't have to use meta if you don't want to. Do you think I'm scum? If so, why?

[T S O]

Anen, #676 doesn't particularly ping for me... where you at, dawg?

[T S O]

I think Aneninen could be scum here, these jumps remind me a lot of C9++.

[T S O]

Aneninen-scum.

Thoughts?

[Nikanor]

I felt quite angry for life-related reasons coming into this thread and now feel quite alright. Maybe this game is more therapeutic than I had thought.

mafia, therapeutic?
ahahahahahaha

gonna explain my shiro read after i'm done work

[Aneninen]

Have you played with Dragon before?¹ Many people here defend dragon's playstyle which I find odd and in need of attention to be his town. Although no one has hard defended him in this game. What do you think is the purpose or mindset to Deltawave acting a bit bratty in thread or drawing that kind of antagonistic attention?² What is your thoughts on Garmr Vs. Nikanor? It seems like you think Nikanor is suspicious in those two, why?³

(1) No.
(2) I'm not sure whether he's scum or anti-town, I used to have a lean scum read on him but he may be a bad townie.
(3) I like Gammrn's posts; Nik's jump on Dragon seems to be opportunistic (577, 580), maybe planning to join the Klingon-wagon in 701, appeasing towards Elusive (last line of 753), and I posted about him before.

[T S O]

I felt quite angry for life-related reasons coming into this thread and now feel quite alright. Maybe this game is more therapeutic than I had thought.

mafia, therapeutic?
ahahahahahaha

gonna explain my shiro read after i'm done work

I normally agree with this - Mafia usually annoys the shit out of me at least once per day, but for whatever reason, it had a calming effect this time.

[Aneninen]

Walk me through your ABR read again, Aneninen?

Sheer gut-read, as I said.

Anen, #676 doesn't particularly ping for me... where you at, dawg?

I could imagine myself using that trick: explaining how I'd play a role so as to convince everyone that I

don't have

that role.

I think Aneninen could be scum here, these jumps remind me a lot of C9++.

You're wrong, TSO; remember my gameplay in Masquerade and in B_E's Abandoned... although you were scum in both. ^_^

[elusive]

Don't trust an elf.

[Aneninen]

Don't trust an elf.

I can call my NightFairy if you wish ^_^

[House]

Anen, there is something called the Garcia rule where you don't answer questions directed at another player. If I'm trying to get a read\reaction from someone and someone else defuses it, I will be annoyed.

omg have my babies.

[Shiro]

Shiro, you don't have to use meta if you don't want to. Do you think I'm scum? If so, why?

Nah not really I do not lean either way. I just felt like pointing out that little fact cause of the previous game xD

[elusive]

Anen, there is something called the Garcia rule where you don't answer questions directed at another player. If I'm trying to get a read\reaction from someone and someone else defuses it, I will be annoyed.

omg have my babies.

Titus taught me it so forward your request?

TSO, it can be cathartic and distracting.

Anen, what good is a fairy who cannot fly?

[texcat]

texcat

- [ spoiler= ]What are your current reads? Who are the three scummiest players in thread and why? Who are you townreading and why? You haven't answered my questions and I suggest you do so in your next post.[/spoiler]

Don't nag. I think it's too early for townreads. I'm actually trying not to town read anyone very much because I'm usually wrong and it gets me into trouble. I made a case on you, and I have voted for Ika for role-fishing. Doesn't that give you a clue who my scum reads are? My two most recent scum candidates are Klingon. I agree with Anen's 779 on Klingon. And Dragonspawn.

Top 3 scum are prob delta, Tex, and Dave.

Delta is adding nothing and I've responded to several posts of his that ping my radar.

Tex pretty much the same.

Dave is singing me be cause he is under the radar and mentioned trying to figure out who the sk is. Usually it's scum who are trying to do that to help themselves look town. Town doesn't bother to differentiate between scum and sk.

Not much I know but it's day one so what do you expect?

As for town, wolf, ika probably house and egg as well.

WTF? I'm pretty much the same as Delta? WTF is that supposed to mean? I don't think that I am the same as Delta in any respect whatsoever, and WTF kind of case is that?
VOTE: Dragonspawn

[elusive]

Lol, actually I think Deltawave is at a better place than you.

[Drixx]

also i will divine if elusive is town or not very early on starting with this:

elusive are you scum?

I'm town, yay.


However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your second favoritest color?
3. Are you scum?
4. What is your spirit animal?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

1. Scum. I learn more and improve my play much more when I'm scum and I know what's going on. Being townie is more challenging and confusing, and even in some ways more exciting. It's close but scum.
2. Grey
3. Nope
4. The quiz says Butterfly. Awkward.
5. If I explained them, then they would have even less chance of working than they already do.

Bonus: I haven't played with many folks in this game yet, so objectively I'd have to say myself. Mostly because my experience is limited to a ton of games with a relatively small playgroup, and it isn't translating well to here, and also because I generally get scumread in every game ever, despite very infrequently actually being scum.

Oh, klingoncelt are you into Harry Potter and HP fan fiction and specifically HPMOR? Your response about the spirit animal is what made me think of this line of questioning.

Not aimed at me, but yes very much. Today's two chapters were enjoyable, although I'm getting irritated at EY for the short cliffhanger chapters. Also a little creeped out by the repeated references to naked children in the last couple chapters.

Have you read BWP by DeadWoodPecker?

Meta is only one scumhunting tool and I wouldn't put stock in it too much but IMO it is very helpful in reading people, especially if you've played with them in a game before.

Wake-The color you used for me is good. I like the bold red. Thanks

Do you find meta to be reliable? Isn't it by nature easy to manipulate for anyone who is self aware at all? -- For example, I don't want it to be immediately obvious what my alignment is, so I've made a conscious effort to approach each game here differently than any other games temporally close.

Basically the main take-away is that I'm one of the best Mafia players to have ever lived. I'm full-on town, by the way, and I say that with 100% certainty. I'm so confident that I'm going to town-claim right now. With that being said, I am almost certain that SilverWolf is scum. This is just based on my gut reaction here. But the day is young so let's see how it goes.

~ DW

You are absolutely, positively 100% incorrect and your 3 post so far are scummy as shit.

Yeah let's see how 100% incorrect I am when you flip scum.

~ DW

Considering you are absolutely wrong about me and have posted nothing of value, I'll take your words for what they are worth which is absolutely nothing.

This struck me as a fairly contrived exchange. In light of some later posts surrounding SilverWolf, this feels a lot like DeltaWave making a subtle play for town cred later on. When I first bumped into this, it looked a lot like distancing, but I have a hard time believing SilverWolf is scum after the more recent posts. That's the sort of thing you just don't fake because it could only possibly help just the one time and then nobody would ever trust you again.

I think elusive is a much easier target then you House and Egg is going for her pretty strong and Flubber to a lesser extent. Just something to take note of. I don't think her quiz is that useful and is a distraction but she doesn't seem all that scummy for it. I'd be interested to see what ika says about it since he knows her.

The quiz is a tried and true way to get folks talking early on. I wouldn't really take a third party's statement over my own read on someone. Elusive seems to have moved beyond the quiz in the last few pages, and it seems to have had its intended effect.

1) What charisma? I mean, I feel like she's playing more to the scum meta you are desribing than the town one so if you are still townreading her, you're doing a shitty job of describing her meta.

2) ok, neither one will probably happen then which is fine

1) then vote her and lynch her. look i suck with describing it and you haev no incentive to go read games so we are just reaching an impass.

It struck me as a bit odd that Egg is scumreading Elusive based upon his understanding of ika's description of meta. How reliable can a read of a description of a read of a meta really be?

There's also a little WK here by ika, but I don't recall seeing this carried on afterward. I tend to be a little protective of folks I bring into forum mafia games myself, so I'm not reading too much into this atm.

[OFF]
I'm breaking the 3-sentence rule now for this, but pleeeease, Silverwolf and House, don't escalate that! Throwing pigeon poop at each other neither helps solving the game nor making the atmosphere better.
This is a f-cking game and it's sure that everyone wants to win. Even if we're mis-reading each other many times. Weren't misreads happen, the whole Mafia would be pointless, wouldn't it? Sometimes we kick aß, sometimes our aß gets kicked. Deal with it.
[ON]

I think silver wolfs town from her reactions in this convo alone. I don't think she has the heart to fake a emotional response like that.

I

think that klingons probably the sk. She seems to have gotten wrapped up about it and by pushing the sk label on silver I think she thinks it's actually her attempt distancing herself from the role in the future.

THAT!

If I were the SK do you really think I'd tell you how I play as the SK?
Wolf does this whenever anyone votes for her. Every. time.
No one has her permission to vote for her ever, especially when she's scum, or a tantrum will ensue. It gets old.

Wait-oh, this has just burnt my scum-o-meter into ashes. I'm unsure whether she's Mafia or SK but she must be scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingonette

I read this exactly the same way as it was unfolding. Assuming Klingoncelt is SK makes a bunch of that back and forth make way more sense. Accordingly:

Unvote

VOTE: Klingoncelt


Someone asked about how I saw things with fresh eyes in a really long post that I didn't want to try and dig through to just answer the part directed at me. First reaction is something along the lines of "Holy crap that was a lot of posts to catch up on" paired up with "Wow I totally feel out of my depth here". I don't understand why Wake was/is being hounded so much for RVS votes, especially if the prior announcement of intended change to playstyle exists as claimed. The attempt to wagon him for it feels contrived to me. I haven't played with any of the involved parties before, so this kind of gets filed in the notes to be revisited later in light of firm information.


Scum reads: Klingoncelt and Egg are both pretty firm into reading scummy to me.
Town reads: Elusive and Ika both seem pretty firm town. I think SilverWolf is probably town just based upon the long term downsides to faking an outburst like that. House and Wake are slight town reads for me atm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Every game, klingon vs. dragon day 1. How about no.

[elusive]

^

[elusive]

Drixx, I liked your post and reasoning. TY for questions thingy (I was the one to ask for fresh perspective.) ABR is right though. klingoncelt seems to have a thing for speaking without thinking which makes her look scummier than she is + some girl trouble there is what I see. Then there's dragonspawn who {redacted} but people vouch that this is not his scum play.

People I'd be fine seeing lynched today:
Texcat - who's response to my questions were less then acceptable. Is that the best you can do?
Flubber - overreactions and being esoteric or unclear without purpose
Shiro - "My gifs are distacting you from realizing how little I've been saying"
freeko - Not sure on this one but didn't like that post out of the gate. Needs pressure.
Egg - "I'm like a like reactive like player like srsly"

[texcat]

Lol, actually I think Deltawave is at a better place than you.

Certainly according to Delta, he is. But why would someone lump me into the same basket as him?