New York 180 (Endgame)

[Ellie]

What can I do to convince you that vikingfan is scum? I have posted more content in one day that I have in this entire game, and I'm not seeing any more votes on him.

You could start by convincing me you are town, and not a scum tracker.

[T S O]

What can I do to convince you that vikingfan is scum? I have posted more content in one day that I have in this entire game, and I'm not seeing any more votes on him.

Wait. Even if he is scum I'm still doing stuff with people. Quicklynching doesn't appeal.

[goodmorning]

I have posted more content in one day that I have in this entire game, .

I want to lynch you.

SO MUCH.

[Kitz]

her grammar is weird

Thank you. Better than bad. Some say it's good though, which I find funny.
I dropped out of school super early, so I taught myself english. Being in a non-english country, that's somewhat difficult.

but I'm p sure iirc she's based hers around pisskop who has indeed flipped Scum y/y?

You're saying I'm adjusting my grammar to someone else? And that someone else would be a scum mate? Nope.
This is a "what?" thing.

That is quite a stretch, trying to associate someone based on their grammar.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have posted more content in one day that I have in this entire game, .

I want to lynch you.

SO MUCH.

Then quit fumbling around like a lettuce and do it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've laid out my arguments and why vf is scum. There doesn't seem to be any more doubts on the matter, as no one is willing to debate it based on facts.

Regardless of whether you trust me or not, the facts are indisputable and lead to vf being scum. You may think that I'm scum with him, but as he's not town, you shouldn't be diverting the conversation or defending him.

[FakedBlogger]

Put a fork in it Kitz and tell me why any of what I did was scummy or stfu.

@dragon I didn't look at pisskop's voting habits yet but good pointer.

Maybe you should. I rather think it was opportunistic which is why I'm leaning town on kitz now.

@wake are you going to wade into discussion today or just watch? I'd like your opinion on the Viking matter

pisskop talked about elusive too much for his vote on Kitz to be a serious one. Then he did switch his vote to elusive when the Kitz wagon was at its peak. No, I don't think pisskop's posts and votes disprove my theory of Kitz and Grib/goodmorning being scum along with him.

[Aeronaut]

I need to actually look back at grib, I recall not being a fan of a few of his posts.

[Ellie]

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

Ugh. I don't know how to read ABR. But I keep imagining myself looking back to this post after the game and asking

why

exactly we didn't lynch him for it

[Ellie]

Grib was pretty town.

[Ellie]

Ellie, just...just help us lynch vf. Okay?

And I know ABR's saying I'm scum. But doesn't this look like, "Ellie, I don't even mind when you say something scummy if you might possibly support the VF wagon," like he knows I'm town?

[Ellie]

It feels like exasperation at me acting like a jester, more than real suspicion

[Albert B. Rampage]

You are indeed acting like a jester.

[vikingfan]

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

Ugh. I don't know how to read ABR. But I keep imagining myself looking back to this post after the game and asking

why

exactly we didn't lynch him for it

Bingo.

People, think of it this way. WHY is ABR posting so much content today than he has the entire rest of the game? He is admittedy either A, an idiot, or B, a scum liar. He admittedly fakeclaimed day 1 and now wants us to let him off the hook for getting his role PMs mixed up instead of specifically LOOKING AT HIS PM. A careful town would make sure he quotes the right PM. A scum would not. And he's used words like 'us' (who is us, pray tell?) and is trying to get us to quicklynch me (something which is NOT beneficial for town).

Consider what the end result is for him. Lynch me, lynch him, he's accomplished a mafia for a cop trade. More to the point, he has used so much town attention on me that it is difficult for town to figure out what else is going on. Quicklynching only furthers that goal.

VOTE: ABR

BTW, ABR, there are probably several other scum in this game. Mind giving your opinion on other players besides me? I haven't heard any today.

[Ellie]

VOTE: ABR
Yes, ABR, but your post doesn't fit if you think I am

scum

acting like a jester.

[Kitz]

Reading about Piss, found something a bit odd in my PoV.
Just saying this, Piss seemed to sidesway NJ. NJ don't have much towards Piss on D1, always takes the second alternative. I'm putting this out, food for thought.

As far as I can tell,

NJ is playing like a frustrated townie

. If my vote went anywhere it would be Ellie

On the townier side

, I think Acryon recent posts are good,

NJ is hunting

, and TSO has a town-mindset.

NJ wagon is driven off of

hurt feelings

I'd vote Ellie

before

NJ.

[Ellie]

He was being too obvious about his defense of NJ

[T S O]

not voting for abr go somewhere else

[Ellie]

not voting for abr go somewhere else

What do you look for when reading ABR?

[T S O]

I've laid out my arguments and why vf is scum. There doesn't seem to be any more doubts on the matter, as no one is willing to debate it based on facts.

Regardless of whether you trust me or not, the facts are indisputable and lead to vf being scum. You may think that I'm scum with him, but as he's not town, you shouldn't be diverting the conversation or defending him.

Stuff like this makes ABR town.

[vikingfan]

Hmm, I see I gave you a bunch of theme games, TSO. Try these:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1511 (I was a doc in this one and it does have a Cop).
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2160 (Vig in this one, also has a Cop)

I think there's one that has me as a cop too but haven't found it yet.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Troll

TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

We have trolls amongst us. Oh no! What do we do? We write a pilot episode and see if it will be picked up by the local troll networks.

Very soon we shall see who is the liar and who is the truth teller
Every time someone posts something like this it becomes clear.
Never ever trust a troll.
Going down that rabbit hole is stupid.
Every troll has a purpose for why they troll

Spoiler: More Troll

For every troll there are always a 100 more that pop up.
Understanding this makes for a great game to be played.
Lack this skill and you shall end up being weird as fuck and lynched for it.

And then a second episode players begin to ask intelligent questions
Like where is the wizard Merlin and where are his henchmen?
Bearing no fruit we shall see what is going on

Spoiler: Even more troll

Everyone should tell the truth -- There is always the adage of lynch all liars
Remember this and you will go far.
Trust in your ability to question and you will go far young scumhunter

Oh and always troll because it is mother fucking fun.
Reaching out for laughs is always the best.

Very stupid posts with random gifs make people make an uproarious sound.
It's like it erupts without limit or bound.
Kings and queens and paupers alike

Spoiler: Last bit of troll for now

Induldge in this ancient delight
Never have I ever found a person that did not wish to emit this noise
Going for hours it seems when alcohol is mixed with certain *ahem* toys?
Feeling good? Well so am I.
Always looking forward to if there is another episode or if the show will die.
North will always point the way.

Excuse the above. I have a condition called liking trolling. It happens in some rare instances.

I think VF's claim is possible in terms of the literal way it is written but I don't know enough of the site meta to know if it should be trusted. I know enough that a cop claim is a weasel out sometimes scum might use but I didn't know enough to know what is "normal" for healing. So I trust that ABR thinks it is unlikely.

However I'm torn between the two players play and I want to see what develops.

VOTE: MathBlade

Because I have the power to troll...And I am starting to like it

[goodmorning]

her grammar is weird

Thank you. Better than bad. Some say it's good though, which I find funny.
I dropped out of school super early, so I taught myself english. Being in a non-english country, that's somewhat difficult.

That kicks ass.

but I'm p sure iirc she's based hers around pisskop who has indeed flipped Scum y/y?

You're saying I'm adjusting my grammar to someone else? And that someone else would be a scum mate? Nope.
This is a "what?" thing.

That is quite a stretch, trying to associate someone based on their grammar.

No, I meant your associatives. I'm not trying to associate anyone to anyone right now, I've not read most of the game.

I want to lynch you.

SO MUCH.

Then quit fumbling around like a lettuce and do it.

I don't think that's the appropriate action to take atm but encouragement noted.

the facts are indisputable

The facts are not indisputable; several people wouldn't be disputing them if they were.

I've laid out my arguments and why vf is scum. There doesn't seem to be any more doubts on the matter, as no one is willing to debate it based on facts.

Regardless of whether you trust me or not, the facts are indisputable and lead to vf being scum. You may think that I'm scum with him, but as he's not town, you shouldn't be diverting the conversation or defending him.

Stuff like this makes ABR town.

Really? I kinda hated that post.

The tacit assumption that disagreeing with him meant you were somehow defending viking made me particularly annoyed, as did "indisputable."

[Wake1]

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

Some people don't like being VT in games, but end up being part of the Town anyways. I've had that feeling more than a few times in past Mafia games here. My perspective on being a VT is that you practically have the most amount of freedom to speak your mind as possible.

Do you think this sentiment of his deserves a scumread? I certainly don't. And I do wonder the motives of those who think otherwise.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The tacit assumption that disagreeing with him meant you were somehow defending viking made me particularly annoyed, as did "indisputable."

Ellie defended vikingfan, not when she disagreed with me, but when she defended him.

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

Some people don't like being VT in games, but end up being part of the Town anyways. I've had that feeling more than a few times in past Mafia games here. My perspective on being a VT is that you practically have the most amount of freedom to speak your mind as possible.

Do you think this sentiment of his deserves a scumread? I certainly don't. And I do wonder the motives of those who think otherwise.

I don't understand who's sentiment you're talking about. How is that related to what you quoted? Who's motives are you questioning?

Mathblade, stop trolling. I hold your abilities in higher esteem than the last time I've commented on them.