New York 181 -- Game Over

[davesaz]

An analogy would be a reaction test. If the target knows they're being reaction tested, the test itself becomes useless.

[Wake1]

An analogy would be a reaction test. If the target knows they're being reaction tested, the test itself becomes useless.

It still seems dubious to me, because calling it a reaction test sounds like an easy fall-back reason for not revealing information, or delaying it. I'd like to hear from Aneninen himself if he is actually performing a reaction test or not (if he didn't say so earlier, I don't know what to make of you dave speaking on his behalf).

[davesaz]

If I say I have a reason, I have a reason. I extend others the courtesy of accepting their statement that they have a reason. I do this regardless of who it is or what the circumstances are.
There are some obvious exceptions, like if I have a strong scum on someone already.

I tend to scum read people who ignore other's requests to shut the hell up.

[Wake1]

If I say I have a reason, I have a reason. I extend others the courtesy of accepting their statement that they have a reason. I do this regardless of who it is or what the circumstances are.
There are some obvious exceptions, like if I have a strong scum on someone already.

I tend to scum read people who ignore other's requests to shut the hell up.

While I can appreciate that sentiment, we are also playing a game that includes people who must deceive the rest of us in order to win. Whether the withheld reason is of a town or Scum alignment we don't know. As Town, I see no reason whatsoever to keep information from the rest of the town. If he is Town, I think a better approach would been him holding onto the information and saying nothing, rather than saying he has thoughts on some people, but won't share them until a set period of time. I'm not sure who and what you're meaning by your last sentence. Frankly the people I envision as Town are those who are upfront, honest, and unafraid of any sort of criticism, because we Townies have nothing to hide.

[davesaz]

On that, we agree.

[Egg]

I don't have a problem with not sharing it, but my issue is why bring it up in the first place?

[Egg]

Yeah, pretty much Wake's 1403

[dragonspawn]

I'm telling it later. As I said, in 1 or 2 RL days. Maybe earlier.

To be frank I don't see the point in keeping things from Town.

Scum would

[freeko]

If aneninen is scum, why would his reads matter at all?

If Aneninen were scum, his reads would certainly matter if he flipped, because they could then be used towards the process of elimination.

For example, if he were Townreading a handful of players for four Days, and he were lynched Day 5 and two of those players he Townread were dead and flipped Scum, it may be worth applying scrutiny towards the rest of those players.

This truly sounds like craplogic to me. Theory shenanigans to follow.

Especially since some were already flipped as scum in your example. Why would a scum automatically townread all his scumbuddies, like your logic here dictates?

Now to me it just seems like a list from a scum is going to end up being a red herring, as their whole ploy is to mislead the town.

[texcat]

I am glad to be home again. Sorry for my absence. I am happy to see that some of the drama has been resolved.

Thanks, Aneninen.

I voted davesaz because I think he needs pressure and also to get people talking about other things but that didn't quite work.

If ABR is scum then KC probably is scum, that flip would tell us a lot.

Does Dragonspawn even have a V\LA or has it just been AWOL?

Texcat pinged me because of the difference in style from his or her previous games on here to this one.

Shiro is being pleasant and that always makes me think scum or {}.

The role of a VT is to interrogate and aggravate as much as possible so that the scum are pissed enough to take you out rather then a PR. VTs who don't play that way are wasting the freedom that not having an ability gives them in that they can purely scumhunt without fear.

Garmr Vs. Nikanor is an interesting 1 vs. 1. Has Nikanor burned you before as scum, Garmr? Or why so focused on it?

@Elusive, I have never played with you, at least as Elusive, have I? Can you explain this difference in style? Can you point to the game(s) where I was so different?

[davesaz]

TSO, have I missed your reads somewhere? Having an awful time finding them.

[davesaz]

I am glad to be home again.

Welcome back! What's your outlook for some reads?

[davesaz]

Can I ask why people think flubber is town and why there isn't more pressure on this slot?

I do not think anyone town reads him. It most likely a null.

@Flubber what is up with you being so nulll and hidden. I had th exact same read on you in masquarade to the point I forgot you were in the game at one point. You were scum there. I dun like this. It feels exactly the same

This type of thinking gives me hope your slot might be town. Are there any other players who are giving you similar feelings?

[davesaz]

DeltaWave – Null

. Previously scumread by me, but the more I'm thinking about it, the more likely I find that these posts are coming from an annoying townie or from someone who simply wants to "skip" Day1.

A little from Column A, a little from Column B

Came across this, I must have missed it the first time around.

So this is a claim to be an annoying townie, which I suppose isn't too far fetched. It's even funny in some ways.

But the column B part is cause for concern. Do you think it's OK for people to "skip day 1"? Not talking about "wanting" to skip, but actually doing it when they're not V/LA. What events might prompt you to be more active? Do you see others trying to skate by, or at least looking like they're trying to?

[Garmr]

@texcat

So when do you start shelling out reads?

[House]

I have "pings" right now an if I told them, that would change certain players' forthcoming posts. Is that clear?

Then why even bring it up at all until you're ready to share what the fuck you have to say?

No, it's not clear at all.

[texcat]

Isn't it a lot like waiting for a response to a question to a specific player before commenting?

[Flubbernugget]

I have "pings" right now an if I told them, that would change certain players' forthcoming posts. Is that clear?

I don't see why you should have anything to be worried about.

If you're Town, why wouldn't you be sharing your honest views without fear of criticism or change?

You should be voicing your concerns sooner rather than later.

Why is what seems to be very non-critical to the game state of such importance to you?

[House]

Isn't it a lot like waiting for a response to a question to a specific player before commenting?

In what universe?

[freeko]

@davesaz #1413: at risk of sounding off somewhat, I want to have a go at this.

Day 1 in and of itself to me is worth very little as day 1 is happening. There are generally things that I pick up on that I can use later on in the game to establish a base for what I believe people's alignments to be. As to if scum is found and lynched on day 1, I find that to be a bonus gift since the odds are not in the towns favor to do so.

If someone were town and skipping out on day 1, then they have only themselves to blame down the road. By extension it would certainly make this game alot easier were it the scums only that decided to try to lurk through a game.

One thing that I cannot properly evaluate in the game is that there is almost always one person that ends up being replaced. So how do I properly evaluate something that simply is not there to be evaluated in any way?

[Wake1]

Why is what seems to be very non-critical to the game state of such importance to you?

Do you consider the withholding of information to be a non-critical thing, Flubbernugget?

[Wake1]

If aneninen is scum, why would his reads matter at all?

If Aneninen were scum, his reads would certainly matter if he flipped, because they could then be used towards the process of elimination.

For example, if he were Townreading a handful of players for four Days, and he were lynched Day 5 and two of those players he Townread were dead and flipped Scum, it may be worth applying scrutiny towards the rest of those players.

This truly sounds like craplogic to me. Theory shenanigans to follow.

Especially since some were already flipped as scum in your example. Why would a scum automatically townread all his scumbuddies, like your logic here dictates?

Now to me it just seems like a list from a scum is going to end up being a red herring, as their whole ploy is to mislead the town.

I meant 'flipped Town,' not Scum.

[Shiro]

@Flubber what is up with you being so nulll and hidden. I had th exact same read on you in masquarade to the point I forgot you were in the game at one point. You were scum there. I dun like this. It feels exactly the same

@Yo Flub ^

[Flubbernugget]

No longer mad at house I get it now

[Flubbernugget]

Why is what seems to be very non-critical to the game state of such importance to you?

Do you consider the withholding of information to be a non-critical thing, Flubbernugget?

Why are you dropping the context?