New York 181 -- Game Over

[Shiro]

@Mod put me on VLA till Sunday cause I am busy alatly and I might not be able to post again till then thanks

[House]

VOTE: pisskop

Dude's faking familiarity with me in his attempt to shit talk me.

You literally did this same exact bullshit with me in the beginning of the game

It was scummy then, and it's scummy now.

I don't see your beef about it. if I was townreading him for this bullshit after scumreading you for it, I could see why you'd be pissy, but this?

[Garmr]

caught up
only thing interesting that's happened is House's bizarre vote and unvote of freeko. kiiinda looks like bussing if only because it seems like House was really uncomfortable on freeko.
but i don't have any sort of concrete scum read on either, would still much rather lynch garmr or david.
will probably end up lurking until we get a flip honestly, i'm pretty done with this day.

don't really get the anenimoose wagon, he's a tad weird but not exactly scummy. i think people said his scum reads lack effort but really what do you expect on d1, an essay? garmr's read list was 10x worse and nobody said shit about that.

I did say a short reads list and if you wanted to know more ask about a specific read which Ironically dave did ask and I delivered. What's really bad is you missed this and we are both your so called scum reads. Also could be worse through could be this pathetic shit.

elusive, flubb, albert, silverwolf, klingon, ika are all probtown, pls do not lynch.

davesaz is definitely scum, we should lynch him today probably. like, he has no reads. he provides two posts recently where he says "these guys might be town! we should read more to confirm!" and then nothing else, no follow-up. tbf he's still waiting on more from drixx but what he says about klingon is inexcusable for somebody voting her:

So, defending Klingoncelt. I do agree that it is worthwhile to ask what makes her scum other than the drama. I'd need to review, and expect some others would need to as well.

Looks like davesaz is coasting on the klingon train hoping it goes to lynchtown before he has to follow up.
garmr is scum too but you'll have to lynch him by yourselves in lylo as he'll definitely nk me before then. i've explained myself to death already and if you can't already smell the stink on his posts then i can't really help you unless you're interested in a rhinoplasty party.
texcat is giving kind of an sk vibe, looks very detached and not interested in scumhunting too deeply. her reasons for voting are really superficial.
dragonspawn.. dunno. i misread a post that a had an issue with so now it's not AS bad. plus people are saying this is his town play. i can't get over a few posts that look like mudslinging but vOv it could be personality. willing to give him a pass for now.
shiro i think is town actually, after rereading his iso it's not too bad.

basically my three big scum reads are davesaz, garmr and texcat.

Unvote. Vote: davesaz.

I really encourage everyone to take a look at the iso of davey, it's really really not nice.

[Nikanor]

I did say a short reads list and if you wanted to know more ask about a specific read which Ironically dave did ask and I delivered. What's really bad is you missed this and we are both your so called scum reads. Also could be worse through could be this pathetic shit.

you know, when i said "nobody said shit about that" what i really meant was "nobody called garmr scummy for it" which should be obvious in context to anyone but the feeble-minded.
the sad thing is that the rest of the town is actually buying the act where you consistently call me a shitty player to discredit my reads without actually talking about them.
which is another reason why this game is starting to lose its lustre. like, nothing against you, i realise you're playing to your win con, but it's super depressing that the rest of the town is myopic to the point where they can only see the fruit hanging directly in front of them.
vOv c'est la vie vOv

[Nikanor]

this town is like a herd of horses jumping and chomping at whatever is placed in front of them, not bothering to think about who might have placed it there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

caught up
only thing interesting that's happened is House's bizarre vote and unvote of freeko. kiiinda looks like bussing if only because it seems like House was really uncomfortable on freeko.

House are you uncomfortable on freeko?

[Nobody Special]

dramonic replaces T S O effective immediately.

(Don't look now, but we're full again!)

[dramonic]

huh.
Why would TSO need replacement, of all people? 0-o

[House]

caught up
only thing interesting that's happened is House's bizarre vote and unvote of freeko. kiiinda looks like bussing if only because it seems like House was really uncomfortable on freeko.

House are you uncomfortable on freeko?

Depends. Is freeko a guy?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah.

[House]

Yeah.

Then hell yeah I'm uncomfortable on him!

[Albert B. Rampage]

So under then.

[House]

So under then.

If by under you mean half a world away, yeah I'm cool with that.

[A Royal Saint]

@Mod Vote Count Please.

Pisskop/A dude/texcat scum based on my reading so far.

[A Royal Saint]

Still reading will post more when done.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.17

Aneninen - 4 - dramonic, pisskop, Egg, elusive

pisskop - 3 - ika, Drixx, House

Albert B. Rampage - 2 - freeko, Shiro
freeko - 2 - davesaz, Albert B. Rampage
Garmr - 2 - Nikanor, Flubbernugget
Wake88 - 2 - DeltaWave, Garmr


DeltaWave - 1 - dragonspawn
dragonspawn - 1 - Aneninen
elusive - 1 - texcat
texcat - 1 - A Royal Saint


Not Voting: Wake88

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-03-13 13:25:47)

V/LA: Wake88, through Friday, March 15; Shiro, through Sunday, March 8

[Garmr]

I did say a short reads list and if you wanted to know more ask about a specific read which Ironically dave did ask and I delivered. What's really bad is you missed this and we are both your so called scum reads. Also could be worse through could be this pathetic shit.

you know, when i said "nobody said shit about that" what i really meant was "nobody called garmr scummy for it" which should be obvious in context to anyone but the feeble-minded.
the sad thing is that the rest of the town is actually buying the act where you consistently call me a shitty player to discredit my reads without actually talking about them.
which is another reason why this game is starting to lose its lustre. like, nothing against you, i realise you're playing to your win con, but it's super depressing that the rest of the town is myopic to the point where they can only see the fruit hanging directly in front of them.
vOv c'est la vie vOv

You haven't exactly talked about my reads either while discrediting them. But I do agree on one thing through that Aniennen read list was could scummy when others including myself have post quick reads list like this. I don't understand this.

[Garmr]

was called dam spell check.

[Aneninen]

You know, Gammrn, my wagon is an interesting thing if we take a closer look on it. Apart from Egg (who's expressed his scumread on me plenty of times), there's
– Dramonic (he's been keeping TSO's RVS there – TSO had never moved his vote from me before he left),
– Pisskop (another replacement who's been keeping Klingonette's vote, which was a kind of OMGUS) and
– Elusive (whose vote I don't understand clearly)
–– and there are quite a few players who're "shadowing" the wagon, like
– House (who was there before),
– Dragonspawn (maybe another OMGUS-like thing?) and
– A Royal Saint (who set up a theory first and it's possible that he's been adjusting all his reads to his theory)

I wouldn't be surprised if there were about two scums amongst those names.

[DeltaWave]

Wake or House would be excellent lynches today. I think we should focus on those two.

They are practically the same personality, I can't tell the difference. Stern logical types, serious about scumhunting, both want to be doctors.

I latched onto Wake. Then shortly afterward, House jumped in and said that freeko is "scum as fuck"...but then immediately voted me. When I call him out on this inconsistent behavior, he backpedaled instantly and voted freeko after only a handful of posts. I'm calling it now, Wake and House are scum. House tried clumsily to defend Wake but then backed off once he realized it made no sense.

Now Wake himself is pretty scummy too. We've been in this game for two weeks and the only votes he's made were RVS votes at the start of the game (literally his first two posts.) It's not like he's inactive. I haven't done the math but quickly glancing at the "activity overview" for this game, he's slightly more active than average. Yet all he's doing is making generic comments without taking a stand. He's clearly trying to keep his head down while more dramatic fights are breaking out.

Lynch either of them today but I would prefer Wake.

I know you are not dumb. And I'm not saying you're dumb.

I will say that I have been saying for some time that I am also very busy with work, and cannot get into the game nearly as deeply as other players are. And what you've failed (or refused) to read is that reserving my vote is part of my meta. I'll ease into this game as I am able, and if I have to put myself on indefinite LA then I will. As for the dramatic fights, they're nothing but stupid noise and I don't care for them. They're a distraction and few listen to me when I say ignore it and focus on the game itself. I want to start generating focused reads: I am currently in another 5-day work marathon. If you think that makes me suspicious, then I can't really help you on that.

Lame. I'm not saying that being busy for work makes you suspicious. I'm saying that regardless of your work commitments, you are still very active in this game (you have almost twice the amount of posts I do, for example!) yet you have done nothing but sit on a fence and make generic comments. You have literally avoided every request to share who you believe is scum. Post 1325 is important.

You are clearly active enough in the game to have an opinion on who is town (Posts 856, 1012, 1528, et al.) but you've avoided calling anyone scum. I've seen a few instances where you'll say "if you're Town" or something similarly non-committal, but you can't pull that activity card on me. If you're active enough to have town reads then you're active enough to have scum reads. You can't go around calling some people Town but then when asked who's scum, say "I'm too busy to figure that out!" It's easier for scum to call people town (because they know who is town) than it is for scum to call townpeople scum, since you'd need to build a fake case. I think that's what's going on here.

[Aneninen]

You gave me an idea, DeltaWave.

Overall site activity of Wake has been checked and his posts about being busy IRL is null.
(It's a pity becuase I've already catched scum by examining this factor.)

[freeko]

If someone were actively playing other games while on a v/la in this one, how would someone approach that without breaking the rules of the game that govern not mentioning other active games?

[Aneninen]

Freeko, this is the guideline:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30909

Here's the quote for the situation:

OKAY: "Zoraster is alive in 4 games and is posting in those games, but he hasn't posted here in 3 days."
NOT OKAY: "Zoraster is alive in 4 games where he's posting lengthy posts. <The violation here is mentioning that the posts are LONG. This is a substantive statement.>

[DeltaWave]

You gave me an idea, DeltaWave.

Overall site activity of Wake has been checked and his posts about being busy IRL is null.
(It's a pity becuase I've already catched scum by examining this factor.)

I 100% believe Wake when he says that he's busy at work. My problem is that even though he's busy, he's still active, so that's not an excuse for the degree of fence-sitting that he's doing. He's gone around and called people Town plenty of times, which means that he's reading and processing the thread, but he's avoiding calling anyone scum -- which would be controversial and draw attention to him.

[freeko]

Well, irrelevant of what happened outside of the game, I believe the person I am voting for faked a v/la to alleviate suspicion.