Open 590: Diffusion of Power (Town Win)

[Mentor]

You seemed nervous to vote.

I'm going to take that as a newb scum tell.

How is not being familiar with how the game works "nervous"? That's really silly...

What are your thoughts on the other players who have posted so far?

So far, I don't like you.

[Mentor]

Take what GC said.

Apply it to me.

Ok but that's his reasoning, not yours. What if he is scum?

I still want you to answer this. It wasn't rhetorical.

[Mentor]

What if he is town?

What if he is? I want to know why you think his opinion is more valuable than your own?

I mean, if you agree with something, that's fine, but the fact of the matter is that he's wrong, and not only that, I made a very clear case on why his reasoning is faulty, but you haven't really talked about that.

I mean, if you don't know a person's intentions, it seems unwise to so easily follow their argument. It's not like you came up with it on your own so it's not like you know exactly why he made that statement. It seems kind of easy to follow someone else's reasoning, since when questioned you don't actually have to explain it, you can just say "I'm using his argument" and shirk all the responsibility for the vote.

This as well, please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Did you see that I voted you before GC?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You seemed nervous to vote.

I'm going to take that as a newb scum tell.

How is not being familiar with how the game works "nervous"? That's really silly...

What are your thoughts on the other players who have posted so far?

So far, I don't like you.

Hop onto my wagon then.

Vote me.

[Green Crayons]

Confirm! I finally rolled scum!

VOTE: House

Didn't you recently say you were going to do this when you, in fact, rolled scum?

Please confirm/deny truthfully, I don't want to do research.

Umm, maybe? I don't know...

Ah, no, it was this:

This lurking stuff is so cool.

Like, you don't come under any pressure or anything.

I'm totally doing this in my next scum game.

[Green Crayons]

Soft GC defense spotted.

BBT votes are acceptable.

Instead of posturing, you should go ahead and jump on my wagon.

Failure to address soft GC defense.

Lashes out at observer.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You gonna vote or continue with this running commentary?

[Green Crayons]

@Mentor:

Mmm.. not quite. I asked because I'm not sure what's acceptable or not and I wanna follow the mod rules,

but that doesn't mean I'm not concerned with who's voting who.

I think that's a pretty big leap to take without actually asking me what I thought about any of the votes.

Wrong.

Before your statement above, this is what you posted showing that you were more concerned about the ability to vote than what those votes were:

/confirm

We can vote for people already?

Well I don't know. I thought everyone had to confirm first. I'm not sure where the game begins.

That is, you only voiced concern about whether the votes counted, not the substance/intent behind those votes.

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Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether the voting "counts" or not. People are voting. If the mod doesn't tally them because 10 people haven't confirmed, that doesn't detract from the fact that the votes have been placed in fairly typical RVS fashion. Whether or not these votes are actually going to be put up on the scoreboard does really affect the circumstances.

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You say:

The mod hasn't officially announced the start of the game so are all these votes actually meaning something or are people just joking around with each other? It's important for me to understand the basis and intention of a vote if I'm going to evaluate whether it's worthwhile or not, don't you think?

But I have a hard time believing this.

Looking at the typical RVS activity is hard enough - people usually joke around, and so you have to attempt to decipher natural joking (town) from forced joking (scum). I typically find it to be a lost cause.

But here, you're saying that if you understood whether these votes are counted, you would be able to further differentiate between natural/forced RVS play based upon whether the votes counted? I'm doubtful.

BUT WAIT! The layers go even further: it's not whether the votes actually counted, it's whether the people thought their votes counted - which isn't really answered by your concern of whether the votes actually count.

Poking just beneath the surface of your justification for asking about the procedure over form reveals a confusing mass of logic.

[Green Crayons]

@BBT:

You gonna vote or continue with this running commentary?

<Abrasive scum mode activated.>

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm serious.

[Mentor]

VOTE: VOTE: Blue Blooded Toffee

Green Crayon - What's RVS? Also, a lot of the assumptions you are making about me are incorrect. I think you either have a misunderstanding about what I've said, or you are trying to take an easy shot at someone who is new here. In either case, I'm town and you are wrong.

[Mentor]

Take what GC said.

Apply it to me.

Ok but that's his reasoning, not yours. What if he is scum?

I still want you to answer this. It wasn't rhetorical.

What if he is town?

What if he is? I want to know why you think his opinion is more valuable than your own?

I mean, if you agree with something, that's fine, but the fact of the matter is that he's wrong, and not only that, I made a very clear case on why his reasoning is faulty, but you haven't really talked about that.

I mean, if you don't know a person's intentions, it seems unwise to so easily follow their argument. It's not like you came up with it on your own so it's not like you know exactly why he made that statement. It seems kind of easy to follow someone else's reasoning, since when questioned you don't actually have to explain it, you can just say "I'm using his argument" and shirk all the responsibility for the vote.

This as well, please.

Are you ever going to respond?

[Mentor]

I am trying to figure out how a game is supposed to go here and instead of asking me to explain things you obviously do not understand, you continue to attack me. That doesn't make any sense. It's like you're not actually interested in finding the truth, and only interested in proving your case.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just said to you I was voting you before GC.

I voted you for the reasons GC stated.

[Mentor]

I just said to you I was voting you before GC.

I voted you for the reasons GC stated.

Right. But you had no reasons until GC gave you one...

[Mentor]

And when I asked you to explain your vote, since it was made without any explanation, you told me to use GC's reasoning.

So, you still haven't answered the question.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If I had no reasons, why would I vote you?

[Mentor]

If I had no reasons, why would I vote you?

Good question.

Can you please answer the questions I asked of you and stop dodging them?

[Mentor]

I really can't see any reason for a town person to be unwilling to answer questions about their thoughts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I voted you because of your nervousness about placing a vote/enquiry into people placing votes.

[Mentor]

Take what GC said.

Apply it to me.

Ok but that's his reasoning, not yours. What if he is scum?

I still want you to answer this. It wasn't rhetorical.

What if he is town?

What if he is? I want to know why you think his opinion is more valuable than your own?

I mean, if you agree with something, that's fine, but the fact of the matter is that he's wrong, and not only that, I made a very clear case on why his reasoning is faulty, but you haven't really talked about that.

I mean, if you don't know a person's intentions, it seems unwise to so easily follow their argument. It's not like you came up with it on your own so it's not like you know exactly why he made that statement. It seems kind of easy to follow someone else's reasoning, since when questioned you don't actually have to explain it, you can just say "I'm using his argument" and shirk all the responsibility for the vote.

This as well, please.

Are you ever going to respond?

Please answer.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

/confirm

We can vote for people already?

VOTE: Mentor

I mean, you saw this happen right?

[Mentor]

I voted you because of your nervousness about placing a vote/enquiry into people placing votes.

You say this now. Why didn't you say that then? Why didn't you offer this explanation when asked, instead of telling me to go look at someone else's reasons?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's not his opinion. It's my opinion, GC just stated it first.