Open 590: Diffusion of Power (Town Win)

[Mentor]

/confirm

We can vote for people already?

VOTE: Mentor

I mean, you saw this happen right?

Then why did you tell me to use GC's reasons?

[Mentor]

It's not his opinion. It's my opinion, GC just stated it first.

It doesn't look that way.

[Green Crayons]

I'm serious.

Me too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I voted you because of your nervousness about placing a vote/enquiry into people placing votes.

You say this now. Why didn't you say that then? Why didn't you offer this explanation when asked, instead of telling me to go look at someone else's reasons?

Sometimes, a naked vote achieves more than an explained vote.

[Mentor]

I voted you because of your nervousness about placing a vote/enquiry into people placing votes.

You say this now. Why didn't you say that then? Why didn't you offer this explanation when asked, instead of telling me to go look at someone else's reasons?

Sometimes, a naked vote achieves more than an explained vote.

Ok. So what did you achieve?

[Green Crayons]

Mentor, it was obvious why BBT was voting you from the context in which the vote was placed, and I thought that I was voting you for the same reasons that BBT when I put my vote down on you.

Mountain, molehill.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Where's the rest?

I'll take on all 5 of you (people voting me/FoS me) at once.

Come at me.

Vote me GC. Put your money where your mouth is.

[Mentor]

I mean, the question still stands though. Even if you actually had reasons of your own that happened to be stated by someone else, why didn't you offer your own reasons when asked to explain your vote, instead of just pointing me in someone else's direction?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because the reasoning was the same?

[Mentor]

Mentor, it was obvious why BBT was voting you from the context in which the vote was placed, and I thought that I was voting you for the same reasons that BBT when I put my vote down on you.

Mountain, molehill.

How is it obvious? It wasn't to me and it's my post.

[Green Crayons]

Green Crayon - What's RVS? Also, a lot of the assumptions you are making about me are incorrect. I think you either have a misunderstanding about what I've said, or you are trying to take an easy shot at someone who is new here. In either case, I'm town and you are wrong.

I'm trying to work through your rationale for focusing on whether votes were possible rather than on the votes themselves, and the justification for your position don't really stand up to a "does this make sense if I put myself in Mentor's shoes and try to be rational about Mentor's play?" Which was the point of my post.

You can try to explain yourself further instead of appealing to "I'm new (to this website)." My eyes and ears are open.

[Mentor]

I tried to explain it and you turned it inside out and changed the meaning, and said I was wrong, which is weird, since it's my POV and not yours, so it's not "wrong".

And I don't care if you don't like it. I feel like you are ganging up on me for something that isn't even remotely related to my assigned role.

[Mentor]

I don't understand how people can just vote someone for nothing. I asked if we were allowed to vote because I thought we weren't, and from there I didn't understand if people knew that and it was just something I missed, or if people didn't know that, and that changes the value of the votes. If people know they can vote then the votes are more intentional. If they know they can't vote, then they are jokes and don't carry as much weight. Like, where is the point that the game actually begins because it seems like people are already being serious about things but they know the votes don't actually count yet? Or what? I don't get it.

It's very confusing and I don't think it's fair that I'm being penalized for asking a simple question to the mod and STILL not getting an answer and at the same time having to defend myself from idiotic arguments about something that isn't even about who is mafia and who isn't.

[Green Crayons]

@Mentor:

Are you just new to this site, or are you new to mafia?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Random

[Mentor]

@Mentor:

Are you just new to this site, or are you new to mafia?

I understand the basic premise. There's town and mafia and the mafia are supposed to know who the town are and the town people don't know who the mafia people are and we're supposed to talk about it and decide a person to remove from the game if we think they are mafia. And then there's other special stuff that can help town find mafia like cops and things like that.

[Green Crayons]

I'm not doubting you understand how to play.

I just want to know how much experience you have with online mafia.

[Green Crayons]

Not trying to be pejorative, just wanting to know in what context I should be interpreting your play.

[Mentor]

I've never played before.

[Green Crayons]

Okay.

UNVOTE: Mentor
VOTE: BBT

[Mentor]

I don't understand how that changes anything. If you thought something was a tell how does my experience change that for you?

[Green Crayons]

Generally, a read of a player is based upon the culmination of posts, not just any single event.

I thought your first post was suspicious. I think your response to pressure - including frustration, inquisitiveness about various aspects of suspicions, focusing on your attacker BBT - looks town in light of the fact that you are new to online mafia. All together, that means I'm not voting you any more.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Green Crayons

[ChriVi]

/conform

We are here, sheeple.

Reading thread in a bit.

[davesaz]

Day 1 starts here.