Open 590: Diffusion of Power (Town Win)

[Green Crayons]

@killa:

I have however seen players flip out Anti early into a game when they are both scum, therefore vote: ChriVi

I agree with Not_Scum's observation that Chriv's belligerence looks fake. That alone is a strong motivator for me to vote Chriv - which I may do as soon as I turn some other things over in my mind.

However, reading your post, it looks like you're voting Chriv not because of Chriv's fake-anger, but because scum-buddies have used fake-anger towards Anti-scum in the past. That is, it looks like you're assuming that Anti is scum in this game in order for Chriv to be scum.

Please clarify.

[House]

So, what do you say we stop pussy-footing around with the finger-pointing and mass claim?

Scum will be those who either refuse to claim or among those with a counterclaim.

Those who do not get counterclaimed are conftown.

[Green Crayons]

No.

All town have either cop or doc.

Role nights are randomized, and therefore there's no way to determine whether a particular claim is false just from the claim itself.

[Green Crayons]

Role nights are randomized, and therefore there's no way to determine whether a particular claim is false just from the claim itself.

As in, there can be roles that act on the same night.

[Green Crayons]

Though, I've been thinking about it and mafia have extra knowledge over the town than in the usual game (they are aware of how many docs/cops there are), and town are deprived on essential knowledge of another town's death - specifically, the night that a town player's role was effective. Thus, upon a cop dying, town cannot analyze to see whether that cop had already used its power and try to deduce who might have been investigated.

I therefore proposed that any town cops reveal their investigations the day following their night action - obviously if the result is scum, but even if the result is town. Ideally, of course, such results would be held back into near the end of the game. But the prospects of both the cop and the investigated town surviving to the point when such a reveal would be most effective is not great.

Obviously it's up to each cop's discretion, but that's my proposal because I think it will benefit the town the most in assuring that we get some information rather than no information.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count

ChriVi

(4): Antihero, Not_Mafia, killapenwin, Green Crayons

BlueBloodedToffee

(3): ChriVi, Newbie, randomidget

randomidget

(1): inte

killapenwin

(1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting

(4): House, Creative, NJAC, Mentor

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-03-27 21:00:00)

Mod Notes: NJAC has requested replacement

[davesaz]

@Mod: Chrimi usually uses blue and Viomi usually uses red. Is it alright if we code ourselves this way? We know your color is bolded blue, so would regular / dark blue be a problem?

Thanks for asking! I'm using #0000BF. The rule is based on other players being able to easily distinguish mod edits from player posts. I think it would be best if it's not the next color over on the color picker but something further away might work.

[Antihero]

So, what do you say we stop pussy-footing around with the finger-pointing and mass claim?

Scum will be those who either refuse to claim or among those with a counterclaim.

Those who do not get counterclaimed are conftown.

from the wiki page:

Daystart
The Mod randomises how many Cops and Docs there are: 1/3rd chance of a 4/6, 5/5 or 6/4 split each.
The Mod then randomises a number from 1-5 for each town player. This is the one night that the players' role works on.

It's possible for there to be multiple players with the same power and night.

Mafia are told pregame exactly how many Cops and Docs exist in the setup, but not who and what nights they are.
Cops and Doctors flip only as "Town Cop" or "Town Doctor".

massclaim's not a breaking strategy here, house. any reads?

[Antihero]

though...

claiming which NIGHT (but not the ROLE) could be useful to let docs know who to protect because scum don't have an rb to counter it

have to think about it

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wrong, it just means I'm not willing to tolerate naked votes at all. There isn't some backwards logic to it and if I were scum, what reason would I have warn town not to naked vote? Surely it would be easier (as scum) to put a vote on someone for naked voting than to be drawn into a debate of why naked voting is bad?

What are your thoughts on naked voting, good or bad? Why? Give examples.

Wrong. It has nothing to do with your toleration of naked votes and everything to do with your observation of the alignments of the people making those votes.

Again, how do you know you're warning town? For all you know, it could be scum who made the naked votes.

I dislike naked voting. Which is funny, because I do it a lot. Usually though, I provide my reasoning afterwards. Absolute naked voting with no explanation is a pet hate of mine.

[inte]

btt is lynch bait
crayon is dumb or scum
penguin sounds like scum

i think i got this game wrapped up boys

[BlueBloodedToffee]

fyi VOTE: randomidget

btt is lynch bait
crayon is dumb or scum
penguin sounds like scum

i think i got this game wrapped up boys

Yeah, I can see the thought progression there.

You wanna expand? Or you know, place a vote where your scum-reads are?

[Creative]

btt is lynch bait
crayon is dumb or scum
penguin sounds like scum

i think i got this game wrapped up boys

I'm tuning with your reads, like i said before, a wagon this early with so many votes really seems to be scum jumping in the train and pushing him to the spotlight.
I don´t think

GC

is dumb, he is pushing on people right when someone makes a point about that person, i think it's town-oriented to push scum on people but more mafia-oriented when the that target has just been pinged by someone else. Does that make sense?
Maybe is just that his timing is a little off in my point of view, i'm not sure about his alignment yet.

This game confuses me. BBT should be dead, bur isn't. Why not?
Mentor, creative, GC and penwin are probs town
House is confirmed town.

Why is that you find to be frustrating the fact that

BBT

didn´t get lynched?

It's very awkward that you are trying to speed Day1 Lynch, can you reason your vote?

Even if we are going to lynch him, town gains nothing to do that right on the beginning of the game, like, zero info.
Your post seems to be part of a mafia agenda:

-

Confusion Card

(it's so early, so little info is out there, how can you be confused?)
-

Speeding a lynch/flashwagoning

(trying to deny town from information/mislynch)

Why is House confirmed town? Have you played with him before?

[Creative]

I forgotted to tag

House

in my previous post, it may look silly, but it's important to me to keep track of it later, so nvm this post here is just an obervation.

[Newbie]

/confirm
VOTE: BBT
Out of the two hard pushing a newbie, GC seemed more genuine.

@

Creative

What alignment do you think each of Mentor, BBT, and GC are?

I found that statement weird as well. It sounded a little too sure pertaining to three players' alignments.

if you think creative is "weird" for enforcing a false dichotomy, what's so "not weird" about it when you do it?

It's the way it was worded. Since scum know who are who, they sometimes like to connect players, if that makes sense. That's why I asked him for his reads on each so he wouldn't be able to so easily back out of it. I'm satisfied with his posts so far, though.

I also agree about ChriVi.

VOTE: ChriVi

[Antihero]

oh boy i'm popular

[Newbie]

I googled 'Joke' this did not come up.

but anyway I'm a little surprised you haven't been warned by the mod for being overly volatile to other players, 'GTFO piece of trash and I'm blacklisting you after the game' is quite excessive for questioning if you had ever run into a suicidal townie before.

I have however seen players flip out Anti early into a game when they are both scum, therefore

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

[killapenwin]

@killa:

I have however seen players flip out Anti early into a game when they are both scum, therefore vote: ChriVi

I agree with Not_Scum's observation that Chriv's belligerence looks fake. That alone is a strong motivator for me to vote Chriv - which I may do as soon as I turn some other things over in my mind.

However, reading your post, it looks like you're voting Chriv not because of Chriv's fake-anger, but because scum-buddies have used fake-anger towards Anti-scum in the past. That is, it looks like you're assuming that Anti is scum in this game in order for Chriv to be scum.

Please clarify.

You have it the wrong way round, I assume Chriv is scum and by extension that Anti could be also. His/Her over the top anger did look faked (possibly early distancing) it was glaringly obvious and had been pointed out by someone else already but yes if Chriv did flip scum Anti would likely be my next vote.

In a previous game I saw fake over the top arguing towards Anti when both him and another player were scum.

[Newbie]

Anti was the first to vote Chriv when Chriv had no pressure on him at all, though.

[Newbie]

I'm surprised that Chrivi didn't continue to engage further with killa and that it's just these few posts.

@ ChriVi: I am not sure how you selfvote in one post, then chastise BBT in the next for being suicidal? Seems a little weird to me.

@Not_mafia: I'm not a fan of seeing naked votes thrown about, keep it up and I'll vote you on principle.

@all: start attaching reasoning to your votes, when you vote or risk being misread as scum.

@ ChriVi: I am not sure how you selfvote in one post, then chastise BBT in the next for being suicidal? Seems a little weird to me.

Google: Joke

I googled 'Joke' this did not come up.

but anyway I'm a little surprised you haven't been warned by the mod for being overly volatile to other players, 'GTFO piece of trash and I'm blacklisting you after the game' is quite excessive for questioning if you had ever run into a suicidal townie before.

I have however seen players flip out Anti early into a game when they are both scum, therefore

vote: ChriVi

[Newbie]

/confirm
VOTE: BBT
Out of the two hard pushing a newbie, GC seemed more genuine.

@

Creative

What alignment do you think each of Mentor, BBT, and GC are?

I found that statement weird as well. It sounded a little too sure pertaining to three players' alignments.

if you think creative is "weird" for enforcing a false dichotomy, what's so "not weird" about it when you do it?

It almost seems like killa knows what Chriv will flip and is using early associative reads to connect him to another player by reaching.

[Newbie]

Sorry. Ignore the quote in that post. Didn't mean to quote anything.

[Antihero]

In a previous game I saw fake over the top arguing towards Anti when both him and another player were scum.

are you talking about jk9++?

who are you talking about?

[killapenwin]

Wrong, it just means I'm not willing to tolerate naked votes at all. There isn't some backwards logic to it and if I were scum, what reason would I have warn town not to naked vote? Surely it would be easier (as scum) to put a vote on someone for naked voting than to be drawn into a debate of why naked voting is bad?

What are your thoughts on naked voting, good or bad? Why? Give examples.

Wrong. It has nothing to do with your toleration of naked votes and everything to do with your observation of the alignments of the people making those votes.

Again, how do you know you're warning town? For all you know, it could be scum who made the naked votes.

I dislike naked voting. Which is funny, because I do it a lot. Usually though, I provide my reasoning afterwards. Absolute naked voting with no explanation is a pet hate of mine.

You mean to tell me what my own thoughts and reasons are? You assume too much.

[Antihero]

In a previous game I saw fake over the top arguing towards Anti when both him and another player were scum.

are you talking about jk9++?
who are you talking about?

this is the only game i was scum in that you played in and i didn't fight with either wicked or anen so ... again, what are you talking about?